Lambert's from Sheffield, really stuck !!

[miss city]

Can anyone please help me with something I've been stuck on for the last couple of years ?
I'm struggling with my Nan's side, her father was William Lambert born 16/01/1874 in sheffield, his father was Henry Lambert, mother was Anne Lambert formerly Roach, (from birth cert') so far so good !!
On every census William is listed as William H, he is also listed as Grandson to Robert Stones on the 1881, Grandson to Hannah Stones (widow) on 1891, then as Nephew to Joseph Stones (son of Robert & Hannah) on the 1901, he then married Joseph's step daughter Elizabeth Ellen Stubbs before the 1911, i know i have followed the correct William because of the Stones family connection who my Nan lived with.
I found a marriage for Henry Lambert to Anne Grork in Sheffield 1863 ??
I did find an Anne Lambert in 1871 with a Thomas Rouke ? listed as daughter & Henry Lambert as son in law. I have found only 1871 & 81 census's, can't find any more.
Could Roach & Rouke & Grork be the same name ?
I have now found christenings for 8 children who i think are the correct ones, the parents are named as Henrici Lambert & Annae O'Rourke, on Family search, but i can't find births for any of them except William (Gulielmus) Lambert.
The christenings are at St Marie which is/was a Roman Catholic Cathedral in Sheffield & the names are in Latin.
I hope someone can shed some light & give me some more ideas !!
Thanks.

[valg]

Can anyone please help me with something I've been stuck on for the last couple of years ?
I'm struggling with my Nan's side, her father was William Lambert born 16/01/1874 in sheffield, his father was Henry Lambert, mother was Anne Lambert formerly Roach, (from birth cert') so far so good !!
On every census William is listed as William H, he is also listed as Grandson to Robert Stones on the 1881, Grandson to Hannah Stones (widow) on 1891, then as Nephew to Joseph Stones (son of Robert & Hannah) on the 1901, he then married Joseph's step daughter Elizabeth Ellen Stubbs before the 1911, i know i have followed the correct William because of the Stones family connection who my Nan lived with.
I found a marriage for Henry Lambert to Anne Grork in Sheffield 1863 ??
I did find an Anne Lambert in 1871 with a Thomas Rouke ? listed as daughter & Henry Lambert as son in law. I have found only 1871 & 81 census's, can't find any more.
Could Roach & Rouke & Grork be the same name ?
I have now found christenings for 8 children who i think are the correct ones, the parents are named as Henrici Lambert & Annae O'Rourke, on Family search, but i can't find births for any of them except William (Gulielmus) Lambert.
The christenings are at St Marie which is/was a Roman Catholic Cathedral in Sheffield & the names are in Latin.
I hope someone can shed some light & give me some more ideas !!
Thanks.

Looking at a Tree on Anc that has William on it...it has his father Henry brn Belton Lincolnshire 1843, died in 1874 in Sheffield Union workhouse from Bronchopneumonia.Buried at General Cemetary Sheffield...
Having a bit of trouble finding the earlier census u mentioned, picked up 1901/1911 but the 1881 census only one I can find with a William H Lambert grandson is living with Robert and Hannah Lambert not Stone?
Could you please post ref numbers for census?

[valg]

Looking at a Tree on Anc that has William on it...it has his father Henry brn Belton Lincolnshire 1843, died in 1874 in Sheffield Union workhouse from Bronchopneumonia.Buried at General Cemetary Sheffield...
Having a bit of trouble finding the earlier census u mentioned, picked up 1901/1911 but the 1881 census only one I can find with a William H Lambert grandson is living with Robert and Hannah Lambert not Stone?
Could you please post ref numbers for census?

Is the 1871 census RG10; Piece: 4678; Folio: 42; Page: 28 Sheffield if so Anc has in laws transcribed as Ranke! There are 3 children listed Ann, Henry and Mary Ann. These childrens births are easily found on freebmd.. original looks more like Rourke...
The marriage you noted for Henry Lambert 1863 would fit this couple
The bad or good news is that this Henry and Ann are on the 1881 census still have the mother in law bridget with them..and no son William..
RG11 piece 4642 folio 19 page 30

[valg]

Looking at a Tree on Anc that has William on it...it has his father Henry brn Belton Lincolnshire 1843, died in 1874 in Sheffield Union workhouse from Bronchopneumonia.Buried at General Cemetary Sheffield...
Having a bit of trouble finding the earlier census u mentioned, picked up 1901/1911 but the 1881 census only one I can find with a William H Lambert grandson is living with Robert and Hannah Lambert not Stone?
Could you please post ref numbers for census?

Correction tree has henry death 1878 not 1874...Sheffield 9c 250 June 1878 age 35

[Lizzy9]

I'm struggling with my Nan's side, her father was William Lambert born 16/01/1874 in sheffield, his father was Henry Lambert, mother was Anne Lambert formerly Roach, (from birth cert') so far so good !! .

Are you certain you have the correct birth cert?

There's a possible death for William Lambert born Sheffield 1874

William Lambert, Mar qrt 1874, age 0, Sheffield, 9c/235

[Peter Goodey]

On every census...

Can you please provide census references.

[Coromandel]

I have to go out soon but in case it helps others in the search I think he may be the person down on the FamilySearch 1881 transcript as "Wm. H. Lambert (Lancashire)", aged 7, birthplace given as Micklehurst, Cheshire.

26 Belgrave Street, Denton, Lancs
RG 11/4046, f.20, p.34

William is shown as grandson of the head of the household, "Robert Lambert (Lancashire)".


he then married Joseph's step daughter Elizabeth Ellen Stubbs before the 1911

Cheshire BMDs shows that a William Lambert married Elizabeth Ellen Stubbs at the Methodist Church, Manchester Road, Denton, in 1904.

[Lizzy9]

I think he may be the person down on the FamilySearch 1881 transcript as "Wm. H. Lambert (Lancashire)", aged 7, birthplace given as Micklehurst, Cheshire.
26 Belgrave Street, Denton, Lancs
RG 11/4046, f.20, p.34
William is shown as grandson of the head of the household, "Robert Lambert (Lancashire)"..

The original census sheet clearly has William's birth place as Bradfield Yorkshire

[Lizzy9]

To be certain you are following the right ancestors you need William's marriage cert, unless William was illegitimate his father's name should be entered.

William Lambert, Ashton, June qrt 1904, 8d/937

[miss city]

Looking at a Tree on Anc that has William on it...it has his father Henry brn Belton Lincolnshire 1843, died in 1874 in Sheffield Union workhouse from Bronchopneumonia.Buried at General Cemetary Sheffield...
Having a bit of trouble finding the earlier census u mentioned, picked up 1901/1911 but the 1881 census only one I can find with a William H Lambert grandson is living with Robert and Hannah Lambert not Stone?
Could you please post ref numbers for census?

Thanks
That is def' the right census but i don't know why they were all listed as Lambert, Robert & Hannah (& kids) are def' Stones.
The tree on ancestry is probably mine (Swindell tree)? i thought i had found the reason why William never lived with his parents as i thought his dad (Henry) had died but that doesn't now seem to be the case.

[miss city]

To be certain you are following the right ancestors you need William's marriage cert, unless William was illegitimate his father's name should be entered.

William Lambert, Ashton, June qrt 1904, 8d/937

Thanks,
OMG, there is NO fathers name on William's marriage cert' i thought his name wasn't on maybe 'cos he had never lived lived with parents he didn't want it on !!
I've been looking for a connection between Stones & Lambert but can't find one, Robert & Hannah were his grand parents so that would mean one of their daughters had William ?
And if William was illigitimate wouldn't he have been called Stones ?

[miss city]

I have to go out soon but in case it helps others in the search I think he may be the person down on the FamilySearch 1881 transcript as "Wm. H. Lambert (Lancashire)", aged 7, birthplace given as Micklehurst, Cheshire.

26 Belgrave Street, Denton, Lancs
RG 11/4046, f.20, p.34

William is shown as grandson of the head of the household, "Robert Lambert (Lancashire)".



Cheshire BMDs shows that a William Lambert married Elizabeth Ellen Stubbs at the Methodist Church, Manchester Road, Denton, in 1904.


Thanks
yes that is their marriage, the church was on our road.

[Peter Goodey]

William was illigitimate wouldn't he have been called Stones ?

Perhaps he was

Births Jun 1873
STONES William Henry Wortley 9c 257

I advise you to order that birth certificate PDQ.

[miss city]

Thanks,
OMG, there is NO fathers name on William's marriage cert' i thought his name wasn't on maybe 'cos he had never lived lived with parents he didn't want it on !!
I've been looking for a connection between Stones & Lambert but can't find one, Robert & Hannah were his grand parents so that would mean one of their daughters had William ?
And if William was illigitimate wouldn't he have been called Stones ?

I have just looked at his death cert' again (he died in apr 1945) & his age was 72 but if the birth cert' was the correct one he would have been 71 & 72 the next jan !!
Oop's looks like its the wrong birth cert' !!

[miss city]

Perhaps he was

Births Jun 1873
STONES William Henry Wortley 9c 257

I advise you to order that birth certificate PDQ.

Thanks
But he was Lambert on death cert', marriage cert' & census's, also my nan was Lambert ??

[Peter Goodey]

People can use different surnames and the more awkward ancestors frequently did!

He was Lambert in 1881 but in 1891 he was Stones -

The National Archives; RG 12/3284 f 102 p 35

In 1901 he was Lambert again

The National Archives; RG 13/3790 f 37 p 14

You need the birth certificate

[Lizzy9]

Births Jun 1873
STONES William Henry Wortley 9c 257

I advise you to order that birth certificate PDQ.


Thanks
But he was Lambert on death cert', marriage cert' & census's, also my nan was Lambert ??

I'd definitely get the birth certificate which Peter suggests, Bradfield was in the Wortley registration district, and the birth year fits with his death cert.

[miss city]

I have ordered the birth cert' , lets hope that it helps & finally gives me the right parents !!

[dawnkaren]

the tree thats on ancestry belongs to micheleswindell27, is that you? if not i suggest that you take a look at it, because there is rather a few good pictures on there, one of which is of your nan annie as a young girl sat on a donkey!

[Kerrywood]

the tree thats on ancestry belongs to micheleswindell27, is that you? if not i suggest that you take a look at it, because there is rather a few good pictures on there, one of which is of your nan annie as a young girl sat on a donkey!

See post #10 above :wink5:

[miss city]

the tree thats on ancestry belongs to micheleswindell27, is that you? if not i suggest that you take a look at it, because there is rather a few good pictures on there, one of which is of your nan annie as a young girl sat on a donkey!
yep as Kerrywood said its mine, didn't think it would still be on as my membership ran out !!
Thanks for looking though.

[Lizzy9]

There's an interesting extracted marriage record on IGI.

Robert Stones, father:John Lambert married Hannah Meggott, at Amcotts Lincolnshire 17th Aug 1837

[Lizzy9]

The marriage is also on Family Search where it gives Hannah's father's name as Robert.

[miss city]

The marriage is also on Family Search where it gives Hannah's father's name as Robert.

Thanks,
I have looked several times for a marriage for Robert & Hannah but i never found one, i even paid for the GRO to search but didn't come up with anything !!

Everyone on here are so helpful, maybe it will be solved !!!

[Lizzy9]

If you'd like a copy of the marriage certificate it's available from GRO, details:

Robert Stones, Dec qrt 1837, Thorne, 23/645

[miss city]

If you'd like a copy of the marriage certificate it's available from GRO, details:

Robert Stones, Dec qrt 1837, Thorne, 23/645

Thank you,
It looks very interesting !!

[miss city]

Perhaps he was

Births Jun 1873
STONES William Henry Wortley 9c 257

I advise you to order that birth certificate PDQ.

Well William's birth cert' arrived today & his mother is Rose Hannah Stones !!! No father listed on the cert'.
Rose Hannah is the daughter of Robert Stones & his father was John LAMBERT as Lizzy9 found.
Been trying to find a birth record for Rose Hannah so i could order her birth cert' but not had any luck, according to the 3 censuses she is on she would have been born in 1850.

Thanks Very Much for the suggestion of the birth cert' You were absolutely spot on !!

[miss city]

If you'd like a copy of the marriage certificate it's available from GRO, details:

Robert Stones, Dec qrt 1837, Thorne, 23/645

I got the marriage cert' today along with the birth cert' for William that Peter suggested, I am so glad a came across this website, I would never have got any further without the help i've received.

[Lizzy9]

Been trying to find a birth record for Rose Hannah so i could order her birth cert' but not had any luck, according to the 3 censuses she is on she would have been born in 1850.

This looks like a strong possibility for Rose's birth reg. It would fit with the census records giving birth year of 1850 as she was born after the month the censuses were taken.

Rosanna Stones, Jul-Sept 1849, Thorne Lincs, 23/634.

[Lizzy9]

John Lambert married Anne Stones 3rd March 1818 at Amcotts, Linc's. Info from Family Search.