please help! need 1841 census lookup!

[DebbieAnn]

I have a gr-gr-grandmother named Susannah Lowe. She was born in 1833, in Cheshire, possibly Congleton or Stockport. In 1852, she married Mark Albiston in Heaton Norris, Cheshire/Lancashire. She moved to the US, and died in 1909. Her death certificate lists her father's name as Thomas and her mother as Mary, but with no maiden name given. I have found another source that lists her father's name as William. I found a will for Thomas Lowe of Stockport and recieved it in the mail yesterday, but it lists no wife Mary, nor any children - only two brothers (George and John), two sisters (Harriet Lowe Thorniley and Ancilla Lowe Ford Moseley), and two nephews (George Roberts Lowe, son of John, and James Ford, son of Ancilla and her first husband). Either the will is for a different Thomas Lowe, or he cut his immediate family out of his will. I have no idea when Mary died.

Assuming the 1851 census would not show an 18-yr-old still living at home, could someone please look on the 1841 census and let me know who Susannah Lowe's parents and siblings are? I believe she had 2 older sisters, born in 1826 and 1828, so they may still have been at home in 1841 as well. Thank you so much!

Debbie

[uksearch]

Do you have details of their marriage? Being Heaton Norris,in the 1850's, it is probably St Thomas's or Christ Church and should be on the IGI.These PRs are here at MCL so give me shout if you need them.

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[DebbieAnn]

Susannah was married on 2 Aug 1852 at St. Thomas', Heaton Norris. I have never had a copy or seen a transcription, though, and would love to have it, thank you so very much! Is it something you can e-mail, or do I need to send off for it?

Would it have her parents' names on it? Perhaps even her mother's maiden name, which I am missing?

[uksearch]

This is what was in the Parish Record.

Marriage Solemnized at Heaton Norris in the Chapel of St Thomas in the County of Lancaster Aug 2nd.
Mark Albiston 21 Bachelor, spinner, Heaton Norris.Father,Noah ALBISTON,Spinner &
Susannah LOWE, 20, Spinster, Heaton Norris.Father,Thomas LOWE, Roller Borer.Married...after Banns.Both made their marks.Witnesses Thomas LOWE & Mary Hamilton(both also marked).

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[DebbieAnn]

Oh, THANK YOU!!!

Now I know her father's name was, in fact, Thomas and not William! The will I sent for must simply have been for a different Thomas Lowe who lived in the same general area. Perhaps they were cousins, or more distantly related (names have a way of showing up frequently in certain families). I will just have to keep looking.

The two sisters I have for Susannah Lowe were Martha (b: 31 May 1826, Congleton, Cheshire) and Mary Ann (b: 8 Mar 1828, Salford, Lancashire). Would any of the three birth records list their mother Mary's maiden name? UKSearch, would they also be in the parish records you have access to? Or would they only list the first names of the parents? Is the father Thomas in all three cases?

Has anyone been able to find Susannah in the 1841 census? She would have been 7 years old, then. I make her birth to be on or about 16 Jun 1833, as her death certificate lists her exact age (years/months/days) at death, and I calculated backwards. If she was 20 in Aug 1852, when she got married, then the year of birth would be 1832 not 1833 and she would be 8 yrs old on the 1841 census.

[uksearch]

How do you know that Martha and Mary Ann are Susannah's sisters? I can see that you got the Congleton baptism from the IGI but what about Salford baptism? I can check the Congleton baptism in a few minutes.Congleton and Salford are more than 25 miles apart and I have my doubts that the two baptisms are connected.


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[uksearch]

Baptism St Peter's, Congleton May 31 1826
Martha dau of Thomas & Mary LOWE.Congleton.Surgeon.

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[DebbieAnn]

UK,

I also got the Salford information from the IGI - Mary Ann Lowe b: 8 Mar 1828 chr: 17 Aug 1828 Holy Trinity, Salford, Lancashire parents: Thos Lowe, Mary

[DebbieAnn]

Hard to believe Thomas went from being a surgeon in 1833 to being a roller borer in 1852. Unless the surgeon was the one who attested to the birth of Martha? It would really help to have the 1841 census info! Would it list Thomas' occupation?

Thank you, UK, for looking up Martha's birth!

[DebbieAnn]

Just found a Mary Ann Lowe b: 1823 Congleton to Thomas Lowe and Mary Ann Webb.

Census records for Mary Lowe b: abt 1823 Congleton for 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901 show her as an unmarried schoolteacher. In 1861 living with her widowed mother Mary. Other years living with her spinster sister Eleanor b: abt 1820/21, also a schoolteacher.

If this is my Mary Ann, and not the one born in Salford, there should be a sister Eleanor b: abt 1821 Congleton, but I can't find her in the IGI.

1. Could someone please check the records for Congleton for the birth records of Mary Ann Lowe b: 1823 and Eleanor Lowe b: 1820 or 1821?

2. Could some kind soul please check the 1841 census for Thomas Lowe, wife Mary, daughter Susannah, and possibly other daughters Martha, Mary Ann, Eleanor?

Thank you!

[uksearch]

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If this is my Mary Ann, and not the one born in Salford, there should be a sister Eleanor b: abt 1821 Congleton, but I can't find her in the IGI.
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I would say that this one is not yours.

Sacred Trinity,Salford 17 Aug 1828
Mary Ann dau of Thomas & Mary LOWE 10 Broughton St.Land Surveyor.

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[DebbieAnn]

SIGH...

UK, could I trouble you to look up the Mary Ann born in 1823 in Congleton and her older sister Eleanor born abt 1820-21 in Congleton, please? My Thomas worked in the mills, he was not a surgeon or a land surveyor, and perhaps their birth records would show a father Thomas who was a mill worker. If they are siblings to my Susannah, then I will know that Thomas' wife Mary was Mary Ann Webb.

Is there anyone who could check the 1841 census for me, please?

Thank you, all!

[uksearch]

The only Mary Ann dau of Thomas LOWE & Mary WEBB that I can found on the IGI in 1823 was born in Stockport and died 14th march 1857.

I have been through the Congleton baptismal records and can't find the people you are looking for.

I think that you do need to get the Census returns for 1841 & 1851.

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[DebbieAnn]

I have purchased the Cambridgeshire and Wiltshire censuses for 1841, but the Lancashire and Cheshire 1841, which I also need, are not yet available for purchase.

So, once more, I am reliant on the kindness of strangers...

Thank you, UK, for trying to find the records for Mary Ann and Eleanor that match the census records for 1861 and on. I'm just at a loss... They both apparently died childless and unmarried, two spinster schoolmarms. And I have no idea if they are part of my family or not.

[uksearch]

I think that you do need to get the Census returns for 1841 & 1851.

UK:rolleyes:
I think that I put that rather badly...I wasn't suggesting that you go and buy the census returns...just get a look at them:)

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[uksearch]

I think that I have found the Thomas LOWE from the wedding details living at 40 Water Street with his wife Frances, son and grand daughter WEBB. His occupation ties in with the wedding details. They are at ho 107 2155 folio 264.

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[DebbieAnn]

UK,

It's beginning to look as if Frances was his second wife - I found a marriage in Mar qtr 1841 in Stockport for Thomas Lowe and possibly Frances Webb but haven't yet sent for the certificate (I'm in the middle of exams for the next week and a half). That would confirm information on Susannah's death certificate that lists her mother's name as Mary. Would the 2nd marriage of Thomas Lowe list his first wife's name, do you think - probably too much to ask...

Next - on the 1841 census, there is a child named Mary, born about 1827 (age 13) in county (Cheshire). The only birth records for Mary Lowe that I know of in that time frame are the ones you looked up for me which list Thomas' occupation as 1) surgeon (1823 - born to Thomas and Mary Ann (Webb) Lowe); or 2) land surveyor (1828 - born to Thomas and Mary Lowe).

There is also a child William listed in 1841 who was born about 1825 (age 15). I found a birth record for 1 May 1825 in Stockport for a William Lowe.

There is also a child Thomas listed in 1841 who was born about 1830 (age 10). I found a birth record for 4 Oct 1830 in Cheshire for Thomas Lowe.

If you can manage it, could you look for a copy of the original parish record of these last 2 births to confirm the details? And would it be possible to try again to find Mary's birth?

Thank you, kind sir, ;)

Debbie

[uksearch]

UK,

It's beginning to look as if Frances was his second wife - I found a marriage in Mar qtr 1841 in Stockport for Thomas Lowe and possibly Frances Webb but haven't yet sent for the certificate SNIP Debbie
1841 Cheadle, St Mary
Thomas LOWE, 46, Widower, Servant, Edgely. Father, Thomas LOWE, Bricklayer & Frances WEBB, 43, Spinster, Edgely. Father, Peter WEBB, Carder. Married...(does not state whether married by Banns or Licence)...Thomas signed, Frances marked. Witnesses Jno ?????? & Geo SMITH (Serial witness).

Edgely and Heaton Norris are close to each other.

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[uksearch]

UK,
SNIP
There is also a child William listed in 1841 who was born about 1825 (age 15). I found a birth record for 1 May 1825 in Stockport for a William Lowe.
SNIP
Debbie1825 Stockport, St Mary
May 1st William son of Thomas & Betty LOWE. Bredbury. Labourer.

1830 Disley chapel, St Mary
Dec 5th Thomas son of Thomas & Betty LOWE. Disley. Spinner

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[DebbieAnn]

Thank you!!!!

I had suspected that Thomas' father was Thomas, but had no solid proof! I also suspect his mother's name was Ann. The two births for William and Thomas that you found are likely not my William and Thomas (unless their mother's name was something like Mary Elizabeth...) But one out of three isn't bad at all.

I've been able to find my William Lowe in the 1861, 1881, 1891, and 1901 census - for some reason I can't seem to locate him in 1871. The most commom place of birth cited is Knutsford, Cheshire, and the most common year of birth is 1826, although the 1851 lists his age as 26, which suggests 1825 and the 1861 gives his age as 34 suggesting 1827... He married Martha Gidlow, and they had 9 children that I can find from the census returns.

Would the Knutsford location help locate his birth? I'm relatively certain his mother's name was Mary, though I don't have her maiden name.

Thank you for all the trouble you're going to,

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

UK,

Thought you might find it helpful to know that I suspect Thomas' first wife's name was Mary France, from Wigan. I have Susannah's mother's first name as Mary on one document. Although the dates for the births of William and Thomas seen really good if Betty is their mother, I'm a bit leery of going with it.

If Mary France is Susannah's mother, the wedding between Mary and Thomas Lowe would have been on 30 Mar 1820 in Wigan. Could you check for me to see if that is my Thomas in the marriage (i.e. his father's name is Thomas - mother would be Ann Dumelow)?

Thank you!

Debbie

[Craig]

Hi Debbie. Have you gotten the Congleton records checked yet? I might be able to check the christenings for the 1820s for you. I think that film is on loan at the family history center near my home.

1841 Census
HO107/582/5/17 pages 26 & 27
Heaton Norris
Bridgefield School Buildings
Thomas Lowe/45/Roller Coverer/(born in county? Y or N) N
Frances do/40/Housekeeper/Y
William do/15/Cotton Carder/Y
Mary do/13/do Weaver/Y
Thomas Lowe/10/No Employ/Y
Susannah do/8/do do / Y

[uksearch]

UK,SNIP

If Mary France is Susannah's mother, the wedding between Mary and Thomas Lowe would have been on 30 Mar 1820 in Wigan. Could you check for me to see if that is my Thomas in the marriage (i.e. his father's name is Thomas - mother would be Ann Dumelow)?

Thank you!

Debbie
I am sorry I have only just seen this message. They don't many Wigan PRs here.

UK