Did Adolf Bernhardt AHLSTEDT really die?

[Colin Rowledge]

A sibling of Karl Oskar was - like his brother also a mariner.

He came to England and in 1868 [3rd q.] married a Cornish lass - Mary Elvins Furse. Their 1st born - 1869 [1st q,] - was named Charles Henry.

The 1871 census has Mary as married [no spouse in house] living with her son. Adolf had recently been to Cornwall as Mary was pregnant. In 3rd q, 1871 she gave birth to a daughter - named Frederica Wilhelmina.

Adolf made another visit to Cornwall in 1873 and in 2nd q. 1874 Mary gave birth to another daughter - named Mary.

Sadly for the mother, both girls died - Frederica in 1875 and Mary in 1877.

The 1881 census has Mary along with Charles still claiming to be married and living with her widowed mother.

I cannot find Mary or Charles in the 1891 census.

In 1894 Charles marries Sarah Mary Brock in Farnham and in 1895 they have a daughter named Frederica Mary. Some time thereafter they move to Devon and take up residence in Stokenteighnhead where Charles is a Boat Builder. This is where they are and his mother is now with family - 1901 census. She is described as a widow.Charles dies shortly after the census.

Mary dies in Cornwall in 1918.

Was she really a widow or did Adolf, like his brother, Karl Oskar, perform a runner?

Colin

[valg]

A sibling of Karl Oskar was - like his brother also a mariner.

He came to England and in 1868 [3rd q.] married a Cornish lass - Mary Elvins Furse. Their 1st born - 1869 [1st q,] - was named Charles Henry.

The 1871 census has Mary as married [no spouse in house] living with her son. Adolf had recently been to Cornwall as Mary was pregnant. In 3rd q, 1871 she gave birth to a daughter - named Frederica Wilhelmina.

Adolf made another visit to Cornwall in 1873 and in 2nd q. 1874 Mary gave birth to another daughter - named Mary.

Sadly for the mother, both girls died - Frederica in 1875 and Mary in 1877.

The 1881 census has Mary along with Charles still claiming to be married and living with her widowed mother.

I cannot find Mary or Charles in the 1891 census.

In 1894 Charles marries Sarah Mary Brock in Farnham and in 1895 they have a daughter named Frederica Mary. Some time thereafter they move to Devon and take up residence in Stokenteighnhead where Charles is a Boat Builder. This is where they are and his mother is now with family - 1901 census. She is described as a widow.Charles dies shortly after the census.

Mary dies in Cornwall in 1918.

Was she really a widow or did Adolf, like his brother, Karl Oskar, perform a runner?

Colin

1891 census-Mary E Ahlstadt-Widow-servant-age 40-brn Mevagissey Cornwall
7 St Michaels terrace Plymouth..
RG14-Piece 1736-Folio-86-pg2

Charles widow Sarah Mary appears to have remarried in 1903 to Josiah Elliot (brn 1879 Exeter) they are on the 1911 census with 3 children.
12 Toronto RD Exeter
Cant seem to locate Mary in 1911?

[Jellylegs]

This could be Charles in 1891 at RG12/1823/18/30

Charles B ALSTRETT, Boot Salesman, b. 1869 Mevagissey - a boarder at East Hill, St. Austell, Cornwall in the household of Thomas and Jane TREMELLING.

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

[valg]

A sibling of Karl Oskar was - like his brother also a mariner.

He came to England and in 1868 [3rd q.] married a Cornish lass - Mary Elvins Furse. Their 1st born - 1869 [1st q,] - was named Charles Henry.

The 1871 census has Mary as married [no spouse in house] living with her son. Adolf had recently been to Cornwall as Mary was pregnant. In 3rd q, 1871 she gave birth to a daughter - named Frederica Wilhelmina.

Adolf made another visit to Cornwall in 1873 and in 2nd q. 1874 Mary gave birth to another daughter - named Mary.

Sadly for the mother, both girls died - Frederica in 1875 and Mary in 1877.

The 1881 census has Mary along with Charles still claiming to be married and living with her widowed mother.

I cannot find Mary or Charles in the 1891 census.

In 1894 Charles marries Sarah Mary Brock in Farnham and in 1895 they have a daughter named Frederica Mary. Some time thereafter they move to Devon and take up residence in Stokenteighnhead where Charles is a Boat Builder. This is where they are and his mother is now with family - 1901 census. She is described as a widow.Charles dies shortly after the census.

Mary dies in Cornwall in 1918.

Was she really a widow or did Adolf, like his brother, Karl Oskar, perform a runner?

Colin

Perhaps Adolf died at sea? Public Records Office at Kew may be of assistance as it holds such records..

[Colin Rowledge]

This could be Charles in 1891 at RG12/1823/18/30

Charles B ALSTRETT, Boot Salesman, b. 1869 Mevagissey - a boarder at East Hill, St. Austell, Cornwall in the household of Thomas and Jane TREMELLING.

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

Yes, this looks correct. The occupation though is somewhat different - Boot Salesman - from that which I felt was the occupation in 1901. Rather than being a Boat Builder, could he have just been working for a Boat Builder? The village in Devon from what I have seen from a 'visit' by Google would have supported such a trade.

Do any records exist of such businesses in that area?

Colin

[Jellylegs]

Colin, I think the occupation in 1901 is a boot maker, not a boat builder.

[Colin Rowledge]

Colin, I think the occupation in 1901 is a boot maker, not a boat builder.

I agree - must have had one too many 'wobbly-pops' that day when I noted the the occupation. :oops:

Sorry for the confusion

[Colin Rowledge]

1891 census-Mary E Ahlstadt-Widow-servant-age 40-brn Mevagissey Cornwall
7 St Michaels terrace Plymouth..
RG14-Piece 1736-Folio-86-pg2



While the age is wrong - 40 instead of 50 - this may be correct.

I'll look into this further.

[Colin Rowledge]

While the age is wrong - 40 instead of 50 - this may be correct.

I'll look into this further.

I am satisfied that she was born in the Oct.-Dec. q. 1840 vol. 9 page 25. She was registered as an un-named female with the surname Furse. Her parents married around the same time as her birth occurred.

The family is on the 1841 census living on Church Street, Mevagissey and her father was a Labourer.

[Colin Rowledge]

Perhaps Adolf died at sea? Public Records Office at Kew may be of assistance as it holds such records..

Thanks valg.

Can these be searched on-line?

If not what would be the best way for me to find out given that I'm a fair distance away from Kew? :helpsmilie:

Colin

[valg]

Thanks valg.

Can these be searched on-line?

If not what would be the best way for me to find out given that I'm a fair distance away from Kew? :helpsmilie:

Colin

Hi Colin, I know what it is like to have to search online for UK records, living in Australia I am also limited to searching online or writing emails..I would email them, they do hold deaths at sea records, you can contact them online at their website
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact/
Its as good a place as any to start, Adolf must have been at sea a lot as he was not on census records. Best of luck.

[valg]

While the age is wrong - 40 instead of 50 - this may be correct.

I'll look into this further.

Still thinking this is the same Mary as I cant find a Mary that fits this one on any other census, maybe she dropped her age to get the job! The gentleman she is working for is on the 1901 census living with family.

[pippycat]

This could be Charles in 1891 at RG12/1823/18/30

Charles B ALSTRETT, Boot Salesman, b. 1869 Mevagissey - a boarder at East Hill, St. Austell, Cornwall in the household of Thomas and Jane TREMELLING.

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)


I wonder if this is of any help, even though I'm a bit late in the day!

Could that be Charles living with his Aunt and Uncle? - Jane being sister to his mother Mary.

1851 census p1908 f80 p33

Thomas Furse b1818 farm labourer
Mary b1824
Mary Elvins furse b1841
Susan Ann Furse 7 months

All born Mevagissey.


1861 census p1550 f10 pg13

Thomas Furse b1817
Mary b1824
Marcy Elross Furse b1841 - better known as Mary!
Jane b1842
Susan Ann b1851
Thomas b1853
James b1860
Henry b1855


Jane Furze married Thomas John Tremellin
Dec q 1872 St Austell, Cornwall 5c p187

Rebecca