John A Beard born in France

[Kernow-Cousin]

I am trying to find out about my great grandfather's brother. The 1861 census has his as being born 1855 in France. My great grandfather was born in Dudley, his sister was born in Monmouth. The family obviously travelled a bit but I can not find out why they would have been in France or if there is any way of getting a birth Cert for John Albert Beard. I can not find him on BMD. Any help greatly appreciated.

[suemalings]

The 1871 census shows John's father, also John being born in Paris in 1822.

[Kerrywood]

Hi Kernow-Cousin, and welcome to the forums! :seeya:


The 1861 census has his as being born 1855 in France.

I confess I'm having a lot of trouble finding this 1861 census! Can you please provide the census reference, or at least tell us which part of the country to look in?

The more information you can give us, the easier it is for our members to help you. :smile5:

[Coromandel]

I confess I'm having a lot of trouble finding this 1861 census! Can you please provide the census reference, or at least tell us which part of the country to look in?

I found them earlier when I was at the library, but failed to note down a reference: I think they were in Monmouthshire?

[Kerrywood]

1861 census - RG9/4020 folio 31 page 19 (Newport, St Woollos)

Now to take a proper look at it. :wink5:

[Kerrywood]

1861 census
RG9/4020 folio 31 page 19
62 Dolphin St, St Woollos, Newport
James Beard Head Mar 37 Haulier? born Flatcher??
Ellen Beard Wife Mar 30 born Denbighshire Wrexham?
Mary A Beard Dau 10 born Denbighshire Wrexham?
John A. Beard Son 6 born France B. S.
George Beard Son 4 born Worcester Dudley
Harriett Beard Daur 14? months born Monmouth Newport

(held by TNA, Crown copyright)

FMP have BERRA, which is why I was struggling. :wink5:

I'm not at all sure about some of the transcription, but I daresay Kernow-Cousin will be able to throw more light.

[Sue Mackay]

The 1871 census shows John's father, also John being born in Paris in 1822.

I don't think that's the right one.
In 1871 John Alfred is with father James, haulier, who was born in Brighton
RG10; Piece: 2521; Folio: 43; Page: 19 (original TNA Crown copyright)
Ancestry have him indexed as BEARN

Perhaps if James was brought up on the South Coast he started hauling goods across the Channel

[Sue Mackay]

The 1881 says John was born in Lamot, France. Will need to go an consult an atlas!

[suemalings]

There is a marriage registration of a John Beard to Ellen Pugh, Wrexham June qtr 1850. Not what you are looking for but if it the right one then it maybe worth something.

[Kernow-Cousin]

Yes this is the correct family. I have this marriage cert. Ellen (also Ellin on some Census) was born in Wrexham.

[Kernow-Cousin]

I could not find them on the 1881, thanks for that.
Its odd, I have George Henry Beard (my great grandfather) birth certificate. He was born in Dudley, Staffs. When I search on the Census in Find my Past it says no results. On Ancestry (a friend is subscribed) he is found with no problem.

[Kernow-Cousin]

There are quite a few mis-spellings of the surname (I have reported them) but all the forenames and dates match.
Some transcription sheets have James being born in Brighton, some have it as Broughton. George was a haulier too when he grew up. Thats a brilliant idea, thanks.

[Sue Mackay]

I could not find them on the 1881, thanks for that.


The reference is RG11; Piece: 2466; Folio: 65; Page: 5 (original TNA Crown copyright) He is living in Harries Yard, Bristol with his wife Maria and two children.

I cannot find Lamot, France on the map. I wonder if it should be Lamont?

[Kernow-Cousin]

Hi Kernow-Cousin, and welcome to the forums! :seeya:I confess I'm having a lot of trouble finding this 1861 census! Can you please provide the census reference, or at least tell us which part of the country to look in?
The more information you can give us, the easier it is for our members to help you. :smile5:
No problem, thanks for all the help. My great grandfather George Henry Beard was born in Dudley, Staffs 1857 His brother John A Beard was born France 1855. I know the family moved to Bristol, they are there in the 1891 and 1901 census.
In 1851 James Beard and his wife Ellen (nee Pugh) were in Broughton with daughter Margaret who appears to have been born in Broughton Ref H.O 107/2503 page 21.

Then in 1861They are in St. Wollos RG9/4020 folio 31 page 19 James's place of birth is changed to Flatcher or Fletcher or even Flateper ??? No Margaret now Mary (could be the same child) John A Beard born in France 1855, my great grandfather George Henry Beard born 1857 in Dudley and Harriett born in Monmouth.
Real problems finding them in 1871 - found a couple of George Henry Beard but not with the family.
By 1881 George Henry is married to Alice Elizabeth and living in Bristol. I cant find John at all.

[Kernow-Cousin]

1861 census
RG9/4020 folio 31 page 19
62 Dolphin St, St Woollos, Newport
James Beard Head Mar 37 Haulier? born Flatcher??
Ellen Beard Wife Mar 30 born Denbighshire Wrexham?
Mary A Beard Dau 10 born Denbighshire Wrexham?
John A. Beard Son 6 born France B. S.
George Beard Son 4 born Worcester Dudley
Harriett Beard Daur 14? months born Monmouth Newport

(held by TNA, Crown copyright)

FMP have BERRA, which is why I was struggling. :wink5:

I'm not at all sure about some of the transcription, but I daresay Kernow-Cousin will be able to throw more light.
There do seem to be an awful lot of transcription errors - having done a bit of BMD transcribing myself I do understand how hard it can be to read the originals.