John Greenwood farm Bailiff

[Blues Mark]

i am trying to find John greenwood born Norwell, Notts in 1814 on the 1841 census when he should be married to Ann. I have found them in 1851 at Barnby inthe Willows and 1861 and 1871 at Old Park, Ashby de la Zouch when he is working as a farm bailiff. I wonder if anyone can tell me from the census return who he was likely to have been working for? In 1881/91 and 01 the family are ag labs at Stapenhill as they have aged.

[olliecat]

I have found them in 1851 at Barnby inthe Willows and 1861 and 1871 at Old Park, Ashby de la Zouch when he is working as a farm bailiff. I wonder if anyone can tell me from the census return who he was likely to have been working for?

From the papers...

ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH
PETTY SESSIONS, Saturday, Feb 5. --- (Before G. Moore and H. E. Smith Esqrs.) -- John Greenwood charged James Cox, Joseph Bailey, and John Bingham, all of Ashby, with trespassing, on the 21st January, in search of conies, on land in the occupation of Alexander Haddon, Esq., Old Parks. -- Fined £2 each and costs, or one month's hard labour
Leicester Chronicle and the Leicestershire Mercury, Saturday, February 12, 1870

I think you'll find that John Greenwood is living next door to Alexander Hadden in the 1871 census.
1871: RG10; Piece: 3248; Folio: 73; Page: 7 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

[olliecat]

And another...

ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH
Thomas Sandlant and Thomas Poyner, both of Ashby, were charged by John Greenwood, farm bailiff to A. Haddon Esq. with using dogs for the purpose of taking game, on land in the occupation of Thomas Cheatle, in the parish of Ashby, on the 25th ult. -- Being old offenders defendants were fined the full penalty of £5 each and costs, or in default two month's imprisonment.
Leicester Chronicle and the Leicestershire Mercury, Saturday, October 08, 1870

[Blues Mark]

this is great...proper family history.Any sign of them on the 1841 census, they may perhaps be in Lincolnshire and i wonder if their are any more entries in the Leicester chronicle/ How did you find these two wonderful pieces?

[olliecat]

i wonder if their are any more entries in the Leicester chronicle/ How did you find these two wonderful pieces?

The newspaper items were found by searching through the British Library's 19th Century British Newspapers collection, provided online by the Gale database. You could check with your local library to see if they have a subscription to this collection, (if not then consider joining a library that does.) Then using your library membership, you should be able to access the collection yourself online from your own home.


this is great...proper family history.Any sign of them on the 1841 census

I couldn't obviously see your Greenwood family in the 1841 census. I think I came across a brief reference in the newspapers to a John Greenwood in Newark, but I wasn't sure if it was him. I'll go and have another look for the item.

[Peter Goodey]

See also the Return of Owners of Land, 1873 for LEI (available on Ancestry).


Hadden, Alex., Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Land 159A 1R 6P, Est. Rental value £164 11s

[Blues Mark]

would be interested to hear the Newark reference as it may be from his time at Barnby in the willows

[olliecat]

would be interested to hear the Newark reference as it may be from his time at Barnby in the willows

This is the one I mentioned, but the date may be wrong for your John Greenwood if he was living at Ashby de la Zouch in the 1861 census.



COUNTY POLICE, NEWARK, NOVEMBER 25, 1863. -- (Before Mr. Burnell, Mr. Ridell, and other justices), ---

[...mentions various people and their offences and fines...]

-- Curtis Holt was convicted on the evidence of John Greenwood, of using snares for taking game at Holme, on the 2nd October, and was ordered to pay a fine of 6s, and costs, 14s. --

[...more people mentioned and their offences...]

Nottinghamshire Guardian, Friday November 27, 1863

[Blues Mark]

seems too near to his old stomping ground of Newark, Bathley, Norwell etc not to be him, especially as he was a farm bailiff in both areas. His father Michael Greenwood i have found in 1841 at Newark aged 60 perhaps he was therefore visiting family in the area ?