Elizabeth Stonier 1813

[Zen Rabbit]

Can anyone find me a birth for Elizabeth. She was born in Stafford and married William Stanton in 1834, before civic record began so unfortunately her parents are not listed on the Parish record.

[Zen Rabbit]

I should mention that I have the census records which give the year of birth about 1813 but i am trying to find her parents

[Richard1955]

Is this it Zen. As seen on familysearch:

res: Stafford, England
parents: Thomas Stonier, Sarah
name: Eliza Stonier
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 22 Aug 1813
baptism/christening place: NORTON IN THE MOORS,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas Stonier
mother's name: Sarah
batch number: C01017-3
source no: 435818

[Raffaele]

If this is your Elizabeth on the 1881 census (LDS)

Chas. KIMBER, Head, 49 Colinbrook, Buckingham, Parochial Officer
Mary A. KIMBER, Wife, 38, Hartham, Surrey
Elizabeth MAGEE, Boarder, U, 23, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, Machinist Sewing
Thomas HUGHES, Lodger, U, 32, Trynant, Monmouth, Commercial Clerk
Elizabeth STAINTON, Lodger, W, 70, Longor, Stafford, Annuitant
Elizabeth STAINTON, Dau, U, 47, Oldham, Lancashire, Housekeeper

66 Culford Road, London, Middlesex
RG11 0293 / 110 / 22

This Eliza appears to match Richards find as Longor (s/be Longnor) is close to Norton on the Moor just North of Stoke.
However if her birthplace was Stafford, then that town is a long way from Norton on the Moor.
The question is 'when you say born Stafford, do you mean Staffordshire'

[Zen Rabbit]

Thanks Raffaele but it is Stafford not Norton. In 1881 she is named Moore, having re-married following the death of William in 1852. In 1841 William and Elizabeth Stanton are living in the Castlechurch parish of Stafford.

[Zen Rabbit]

I should also thank Richard for his efforts but it is not her.

[olliecat]

Thanks Raffaele but it is Stafford not Norton. In 1881 she is named Moore, having re-married following the death of William in 1852. In 1841 William and Elizabeth Stanton are living in the Castlechurch parish of Stafford.

Which Moore did she marry? Have you found a marriage?

[Raffaele]

Just one to consider from FreeReg

Staffordshire, Alton, St Peter
BaptismDate 28 Apr 1811
Forename Eliza
Mother Charlotte STONIER
Notes Illegitimate
FileNumber 11074

Alton is not that far from Stafford.

Father's name on the marriage above has to be wrong as Stanton was her 1st marriage name.

[olliecat]

Father's name on the marriage above has to be wrong as Stanton was her 1st marriage name.

Sorry Raffaele, went back to edit twice and add a comment to post #7 but my editing time ran out. I know that the 1863 marriage between Joseph Moore and Elizabeth Stanton has the father's name as Stanton rather than Stonier. It's just her age is correct and I still can't help wondering if a mistake was made. Whether the bride and groom were married before isn't stated on the transcription. Hmm! I think I'll look in the 1861 census for an unmarried Elizabeth Stanton.

[olliecat]

Can rule out the other potential Stanton/Moor(e) marriage...

Marriages Dec 1877 Pancras 1b 245
BENGE Charles
Moore William
STANTON Eliza
Towers Sarah Elizabeth

... since this Eliza Stanton married Charles Benge.

[Zen Rabbit]

Hi Ollie
It was the Joseph Moore & Elizabeth Stanton marriage in 1863 I was betting on as the second marriage, However if her fathers name was given as Stanton then it may not be her. What was the father's name? She may still be a cousin.
I thought it was her as a Jane Moore is boarding with Elizabeth Stanton and family in 1861. They are living in Browning St Stafford.

[Zen Rabbit]

The birth to Charlotte is a possible. I will bear that in mind

[olliecat]

Hi Ollie
It was the Joseph Moore & Elizabeth Stanton marriage in 1863 I was betting on as the second marriage, However if her fathers name was given as Stanton then it may not be her. What was the father's name? She may still be a cousin.


This is the marriage as transcribed on family search.

groom's name: Joseph Moore
groom's birth date: 1808
groom's age: 55
bride's name: Elizabeth Stanton
bride's birth date: 1812
bride's age: 51
marriage date: 1863
marriage place: Marston By Stafford, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: John Moore
bride's father's name: John Stanton

I still keep wondering about this and it's a pity it doesn't state if either were married before since that would clarify matters. I keep looking at the 1871 census, where there is a Joseph Moore, coach painter, born abt 1800 in Lichfield, He is married to an Elizabeth, born abt 1813 in Stafford.

1871: RG10; Piece: 2818; Folio: 43; Page: 23 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

I think his full name is Joseph Hodges Moore, and he can be found in the earlier census. A widower in 1851 and 1861. I think he died in 1874.


I thought it was her as a Jane Moore is boarding with Elizabeth Stanton and family in 1861. They are living in Browning St Stafford.

I wonder if Joseph Moore had a daughter called Jane. Will have a look.

[olliecat]

I wonder if Joseph Moore had a daughter called Jane. Will have a look.

Well he did ...

name: Jane Moore
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 04 Aug 1837
baptism/christening place: SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Hodges Moore
mother's name: Jane

But this doesn't really prove anything.

Edit. Looks like Jane married a Robert Shelley in the Sep quarter of 1861. Marriage is on family search.

[Zen Rabbit]

Hm Having spent some time transcribing all Stanton references from the Stafford Parish records I know that there is no Elizabeth born to a John Stanton in Stafford for that period, but if the marriage took place in Marston then she could have come from elsewhere.
The "father" could be her brother-in-law John Stanton (or even her son John, though he left for America in 1863) but that is me just guessing.
I think I may have to get the certificate to sort this one.
The age would be about right for Jane Moore the boarder in 1861

[Zen Rabbit]

There is a further problem. I have been told that at some point she moved to London and I did find in on the 1881 census: St Leonards, Hackney (RG11 403 pge 23) Hugh Garrity 37, Ellen Garrity (wife) 39 from Stafford, Eliz Moore (mother in law) widow 69 formerly boot binder from Stafford and Henry Stanton, nephew, 20 clicker from Wolverhampton.
However the only Henry I can find from Wolverhampton on the 1871 census is the son of an attorney with an unpronounceable name. It seems unlikely that he would become a boot clicker but I can find no other

[olliecat]

I think I may have to get the certificate to sort this one.

Hmm! Well if you do order the cert and it says spinster for Elizabeth, I'm going to feel rubbish. :frown: I suppose you could order through the local register office and ask them to check if it says widow.


However the only Henry I can find from Wolverhampton on the 1871 census is the son of an attorney with an unpronounceable name. It seems unlikely that he would become a boot clicker but I can find no other

I did have a search for Henry Stanton him earlier on and came across the census you refer to (both parents with seemingly unpronounceable/mad names.) I'll have another stab at this later. :D

[Raffaele]

This is the marriage as transcribed on family search.

groom's name: Joseph Moore
groom's birth date: 1808
groom's age: 55
bride's name: Elizabeth Stanton
bride's birth date: 1812
bride's age: 51
marriage date: 1863
marriage place: Marston By Stafford, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: John Moore
bride's father's name: John Stanton

I still keep wondering about this and it's a pity it doesn't state if either were married before since that would clarify matters. I keep looking at the 1871 census, where there is a Joseph Moore, coach painter, born abt 1800 in Lichfield, He is married to an Elizabeth, born abt 1813 in Stafford.

1871: RG10; Piece: 2818; Folio: 43; Page: 23 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

I think his full name is Joseph Hodges Moore, and he can be found in the earlier census. A widower in 1851 and 1861. I think he died in 1874.



I wonder if Joseph Moore had a daughter called Jane. Will have a look.

Don't rule out this marriage. If the baptism I found was her it would not be the first time an illegitimate daughter invented a father.
It could also have been that when she was asked for her father's name she replied John and the surname was assumed.

[Zen Rabbit]

Don't feel bad Ollie. I would rather find out the truth than base my findings on assumptions.
Other information I have (from an American cousin) is that the John who left for America said in a letter dated 1908 that his mother (Elizabeth) had "passed away in London a few years ago" he is assuming it is around 1905 but it could be earlier

[Zen Rabbit]

Henry is likely to be Henry Stanton born Walsall 1861 oct-dec 6b 517 but it doesn't give his parents

[Zen Rabbit]

No he isn't I just looked closer at the census and Henry was 10 months old not 10 years on the 1871 census. So he isn't our man.

[olliecat]

Other information I have (from an American cousin) is that the John who left for America said in a letter dated 1908 that his mother (Elizabeth) had "passed away in London a few years ago" he is assuming it is around 1905 but it could be earlier

I coudn't find Elizabeth Moore born Stafford after 1881 in the census. Have you found her?

There are so many Elizabeth Moore deaths in Middlesex/London after 1881, I lost count. Assuming that Elizabeth stayed with her daughter Ellen Garrity after 1881 and concentrating just on Shoreditch and Bethnal Green, (since Ellen had moved from Shoreditch area to the Bethnal Green area by 1891) the closest match was this...

Deaths Sep 1889 Shoreditch 1c 96
Moore Elizabeth
Age 77
Est birth date: 1812

Of course, she may not have stayed with her daughter after 1881. Also a death in 1889 is quite a few years before 1905.

[olliecat]

Henry Stanton, nephew, 20 clicker from Wolverhampton.

This is possibly Henry Stanton in 1891, a Clicker Boot Trade, born Birmingham, Staffordshire [huh?].

1891: RG12 Piece: 194 Folio: 97 Page: 55 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

A Henry Stanton married a Mary Ellen Lockwood in 1883 at Haggerston All Saints. His occupation, boot clicker. Father William Stanton, boot maker.

Can give you further details if you think this is the Henry you are looking for.

[Zen Rabbit]

Think I have found Henry here 1871 Marston, Staffordshire father William Stanton 37 cordwainer from Middlesex, mother Caroline 38 from Wolverhampton, Henry 10 born Birmingham, William 8 Wolverhampton, John 5 Wolverhampton, Ellen 1 Stafford. (RG10 2814 folio 63 pge 9)
It is looking less likely that Elizabeth Moore is the Elizabeth Stanton nee Stonier I am looking for. i can't see how he can be a nephew of her if his father is from London

[olliecat]

Think I have found Henry here 1871 Marston, Staffordshire ...
It is looking less likely that Elizabeth Moore is the Elizabeth Stanton nee Stonier I am looking for. i can't see how he can be a nephew of her if his father is from London

Yes, I saw the 1871 census. In the 1881 census, Henry Stanton is referred to as a nephew. The relationships are supposed to be to the head of the household. Thus he would be a nephew to Hugh (or Ellen if he was really a nephew-in-law.)
Since it appears that Ellen Stanton married an Edward Hugh Garrity in 1864 (according to the Staffs BMD), then I would say he was really her nephew.

I did notice on the 1841 census that Elizabeth Stanton had a son William born abt 1835, who was not born in Staffs. If this William was Ellen's brother, then his son Henry would indeed be her nephew.

[Zen Rabbit]

Good point. He is there on the 1841 census but missing thereafter. I had assumed he was dead but I could be wrong.

[Zen Rabbit]

Not had the certificate yet but I did find Elizabeth's baptism. Elizabeth daughter of John & Mary Stonier bap 11 Oct 1812.
I imagine it would be easy to get her fathers name wrong if she just said "John" in answer to his name. Not conclusive but the Moore marriage is begining to look promising.
Olliecat can rest easy :)

[Zen Rabbit]

Rest easy Ollicat.
The certificate arrived today and not only is Elizabeth a widow but her father is John Stonier. It does look a bit like Stanton if you weren't looking for anything different but Stonier it is so the transcription was wrong.
Eee it's been a good week

[olliecat]

Rest easy Ollicat.
The certificate arrived today and not only is Elizabeth a widow but her father is John Stonier. It does look a bit like Stanton if you weren't looking for anything different but Stonier it is so the transcription was wrong.
Eee it's been a good week

I certainly can rest easier. Excellent! so pleased for you. :thumbsup: