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bettyespana
15-12-2010, 8:57 PM
Mary was my Gt Grandmother & she married Robert Moss 2.9.1876@ St Bartholomews Church Salford.
According to the marriage cert her father was John Hargreaves.I do not know her mothers name & that is a big problem
for me.
Mary was supposed to have lived in Stretford but I have really no proof as she was living in Salford at the time of marriage.
She was a Frame Tenter in the cotton mill & I think her father also worked in the mills.
Can anyone help me find her mother please

bettyespana

RobinC
15-12-2010, 9:07 PM
Does it say how old she was when she was married?

I've found this birth in 1848 which could be her:

HARGREAVES Mary Ann Salford 20 781

gasser
15-12-2010, 9:15 PM
Lancashire online Parish records has this entry:
Baptism:
1 Apr 1855 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Hargreaves - Child of John Hargreaves & Mary
Abode: Worrall's Buildings Ordsall Lane
Occupation: Carter Baptised by: B. Town
Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1860, Page 118, Entry 943
Source: LDS Film 1786460

RonOne
15-12-2010, 9:18 PM
Name: Mary Ann Hargreaves
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Apr 1855
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: John Hargreaves
Mother's Name: Mary
LDS Source Film Number: 1786460

Nicolina
15-12-2010, 9:22 PM
the 1861 Census ( RG09/2923/13 Page 19 ) for 6, Tomlinson Street, Salford has:
Jno HARGREAVES aged 49 born Tottington, Lancashire. He was a Widower, occupation - Carter

Children:
Alice aged 29 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire occ: Dressmaker
Sarah aged 13 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Charles aged 10 born Salford, Lancashire occ: Mechanic Boy
Jno aged 9 born Salford, Lancashire
Mary aged 8 born Salford, Lancashire
James Henry aged 4 born Salford, Lancashire

RonOne
15-12-2010, 9:30 PM
the 1861 Census ( RG09/2923/13 Page 19 ) for 6, Tomlinson Street, Salford has:
Jno HARGREAVES aged 49 born Tottington, Lancashire. He was a Widower, occupation - Carter

Children:
Alice aged 29 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire occ: Dressmaker
Sarah aged 13 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Charles aged 10 born Salford, Lancashire occ: Mechanic Boy
Jno aged 9 born Salford, Lancashire
Mary aged 8 born Salford, Lancashire
James Henry aged 4 born Salford, Lancashire

Is this her birth registration?

Births Mar 1853
Hargraves Mary Ann - Salford 8d 97

Note the spelling of the surname.

Nicolina
15-12-2010, 9:38 PM
in 1871 there is a possibility that the family had split up.
RG10/4025/15 Page 24
Cooper's Place, Salford
Richard PURSLOW aged 26 occ: Painter & Paper Hanger b. Manchester
Sarah PURSLOW aged 23 b. Bolton
John PURSLOW aged 3 b. Manchester
Richard Henry PURSLOW aged 1 b. Salford
John HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 19 b. Salford
James H. HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 14 b. Salford
Robert HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 10 b. Salford

could Sarah be Sarah HARGREAVES, daughter of John?

gasser
15-12-2010, 9:38 PM
Is this her birth registration?

Births Mar 1853
Hargraves Mary Ann - Salford 8d 97

Note the spelling of the surname.

To get Mary's mother's surname you would need to get Mary's birth certificate as found by Ronone above.

Nicolina
15-12-2010, 9:52 PM
a search on FreeBMD gives a probable marriage:
Marriages Dec 1863
between Richard PURSLOW and Sarah Maria O'LOGHLAN
Manchester 8d 176

so that causes another question. Which one of the PURSLOWs was related to which of the HARGREAVES parents

gasser
15-12-2010, 9:54 PM
in 1871 there is a possibility that the family had split up.
RG10/4025/15 Page 24
Cooper's Place, Salford
Richard PURSLOW aged 26 occ: Painter & Paper Hanger b. Manchester
Sarah PURSLOW aged 23 b. Bolton
John PURSLOW aged 3 b. Manchester
Richard Henry PURSLOW aged 1 b. Salford
John HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 19 b. Salford
James H. HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 14 b. Salford
Robert HARGREAVES (nephew) aged 10 b. Salford

could Sarah be Sarah HARGREAVES, daughter of John?

Marriages: sept qtr 1869
Haregreaves Sarah Salford 8d 66
PURSELOW Richard Salford 8d 66

RonOne
15-12-2010, 9:56 PM
Just to confirm the marriage:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the year 1869 (Source LancashireBMD)
Richard PURSELOW married Sarah HARGRAVES at St Simon, Salford
Registers at Salford - Reference C27/8/21

Nicolina
15-12-2010, 10:08 PM
thanks Ronone. It's good to know that my feeling was right. It's amazing what difference a small spelling mistake can make.

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:07 PM
Does it say how old she was when she was married?

I've found this birth in 1848 which could be her:

HARGREAVES Mary Ann Salford 20 781

On the marriage cert dated 2/9/1876 Mary Ann Hargreaves was 19yrs & that is why I put the date as c1855.

bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:15 PM
the 1861 Census ( RG09/2923/13 Page 19 ) for 6, Tomlinson Street, Salford has:
Jno HARGREAVES aged 49 born Tottington, Lancashire. He was a Widower, occupation - Carter

Children:
Alice aged 29 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire occ: Dressmaker
Sarah aged 13 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Charles aged 10 born Salford, Lancashire occ: Mechanic Boy
Jno aged 9 born Salford, Lancashire
Mary aged 8 born Salford, Lancashire
James Henry aged 4 born Salford, Lancashire

I have this one in my notes but down as a possible.With the baptism found previous for 1855 it may fit the bill.

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:21 PM
Is this her birth registration?

Births Mar 1853
Hargraves Mary Ann - Salford 8d 97

Note the spelling of the surname.

Yes, I see the spelling of the surname,it is definitely Hargreaves on the marriage cert,however either of them could be mis-spelt.
It is nearer to the baptism of 1855,however that stated mother as Mary.On the 1861c details sent previously that one looks as though the mother was Alice!

bettespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:27 PM
To get Mary's mother's surname you would need to get Mary's birth certificate as found by Ronone above.

Hi gasser,

Now here is the problem for me.I live in Spain in an area with the most abysmal postal service.Paying & sending for certs is no longer an option for me as I have had so many that have not arrived.Too costly now for me to go down that road I am afraid.

bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:36 PM
the 1861 Census ( RG09/2923/13 Page 19 ) for 6, Tomlinson Street, Salford has:
Jno HARGREAVES aged 49 born Tottington, Lancashire. He was a Widower, occupation - Carter

Children:
Alice aged 29 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire occ: Dressmaker
Sarah aged 13 born Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Charles aged 10 born Salford, Lancashire occ: Mechanic Boy
Jno aged 9 born Salford, Lancashire
Mary aged 8 born Salford, Lancashire
James Henry aged 4 born Salford, Lancashire

Hi Nicolina,

There seems to be a huge gap inbetween Alice age 29 & Sarah age 13.
The youngest James Henry is only age 4yrs on the 1861c so that means the mother was still alive in 1857.
I wonder now when the mother died & if her name was Mary.
That would at least give the possibility that this is the correct family.

bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:38 PM
Yes, I see the spelling of the surname,it is definitely Hargreaves on the marriage cert,however either of them could be mis-spelt.
It is nearer to the baptism of 1855,however that stated mother as Mary.On the 1861c details sent previously that one looks as though the mother was Alice!

bettespana

Whoops! Sorry I didn't realise Alice was one of the children.Big gap though between her & the others.


bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 1:54 PM
Marriages: sept qtr 1869
Haregreaves Sarah Salford 8d 66
PURSELOW Richard Salford 8d 66



It may be possible that Sarah was the daughter of John Hargreaves as the ages of John & James Hargreaves
in this 1871c list do match the 1861.Robert aged 10 must have been born after the 1861.
Incidentally I have just looked at the marriage cert for Mary Ann Hargreaves to Robert Moss in 1876 & it states her residence at time of marriage is 7 Percy St,and that her father John was a Moulder & deceased.

bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 2:33 PM
Just to let you all know 1881c RG11/3970/64/4 8 Lower Siddon Street Salford

Robert Moss (H) M 27 1854 Overlooker b.Preston
Mary A Moss (W)M 23 1858 Frame Tenter b.Stretford
Mary Moss (D)S 10 1871 b.Salford

bettyespana

bettyespana
17-12-2010, 2:45 PM
Found this in Deaths of Lancashire BMD:

1869 - John Hargreaves- 84 - Stretford - Trafford reg - STR/11/83

A bit old to be Mary Anns dad but maybe same family.