Is Tinswick really Tingewick?

[Steve Steere]

I have a couple found in North Shields, Co.Durham in 1861, John SCORY, c1832 Paris, France (BS), and wife Hannah, c1838 Buckinghamshire.

Hannah's maiden name is believed to be MAUNDERS, and in the 1871 and 1901 gives her birthplace as Tinswick, Buckinghamshire, in the others as Buckingham, Buckinghamshire. Are Tinswick & Tingewick the same place??

I cannot find out anything about this couple prior to 1861 so want to dig further. I have searched FreeBMD, the IGI (stops at 1812 for Tingewick) for Hannah's & John's baptism or marriage without success. There is no trace on the overseas indexes on 1837.com for John SCORY either (including variations SCOREY & SCHOREY).

John is just your normal working man, so I assume they met in service or at her home town, then moved north for work. Whether there was ever a marriage has to be considered, but it would be nice to prove her name.

Steve.

[Geoffers]

I have a couple found in North Shields, Co.Durham in 1861, John SCORY, c1832 Paris, France (BS), and wife Hannah, c1838 Buckinghamshire. Hannah's maiden name is believed to be MAUNDERS, and in the 1871 and 1901 gives her birthplace as Tinswick, Buckinghamshire, in the others as Buckingham, Buckinghamshire. Are Tinswick & Tingewick the same place??
As far as I can tell they are the same. I cannot find a reference to Tinswick in Domesday, or any maps of Bucks or surrounding counties. Possilby the person who wrote Tingewick in the schedule did so without an 'e' and the 'g' was mistaken as an 's' when the enumerator filled in his book? Or maybe just simply, the accent was misheard in Durham?


the IGI (stops at 1812 for Tingewick)
This sounds like the IGI was indexed from the Bishop's/Archdieacon's Transcript, rather than the parish register. It may be worth contacting the Bucks RO to question the availability of the parish registers.


There is no trace on the overseas indexes on 1837.com for John SCORY either (including variations SCOREY & SCHOREY).
Passing thought, but have you also tried the military indexes in case his dad was in the army?

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Steve Steere]

Hi Geoffers,

Yes I have searched every available overseas index 1837 has.

The fact that Tinswick was shown in 1871 and 1901 did make me wonder whether it was a very small place near Buckingham rather than Tingewick.

I know I can access parish records, but as ever there is a priority list of things to do, and the main family lines in Hampshire are draining the pocket at the moment, and I haven't looked at my wifes lines in Norfolk lately come to that!

Regards,

Steve

[colin rutter]

May I suggest you go to the mormons and get the microfilm of the relevant part of the Buckinghamshire Bishops' transcripts, which are more complete than the Parish transcripts, which I believe comprise the content of IGI for parts of Buckinghamshire.

Good bunch of people and no preaching!

Best regards, Colin

[Peter Goodey]

"The fact that Tinswick was shown in 1871 and 1901 did make me wonder whether it was a very small place near Buckingham rather than Tingewick."


In the National Archives 1901 census index (I haven't looked at the image), Hannah's birthplace is shown as Bucks Tingewick. What does it look like to you
on the image?

I think the evidence is stacking up :)

[Steve Steere]

To Colin,

Thanks for that, it is something I'll consider once I've had the chance to view the 1851. The IGI only goes up to 1812 and Hannah's birth date of c1838 might be a bit late for BT's, though as Geoffers said it is the parish PR that I need to see. I am at present searching for all known Scory/Scorey marriages so with luck may find them, as ever it is another one in the 'to do' tray.

To Peter,

When indexing people often see what they want to see. I have just looked at the image on the 1901 at high magnification and it is definitely spelt Tinswick.

In conclusion it does seem likely that they are both the same place, as I'm sure a local Bucks lister would have quickly said otherwise.

Thanks to everyone.

Steve

[busyglen]

Steve, don't know if this is what you are looking for but I'll throw it in anyway.

1851 Census Bucks.
Buckingham Pt.1
Piece 1724, Folio 172, sched. 0141
North End Union Workhouse

Hannah MANDERS, Inmate, 13, Scholar, Tingewick, BKM.

No other Manders in the workhouse, and couldn't find any Maunders.

Glenys

[Steve Steere]

Hi Glenys,

That is very kind, thanks, and certainly looks like it might be my girl.
Being a workhouse girl she would have been sent out in service, so perhaps ended up north. Definitely a lead I'll follow.

Thanks again.

Steve

[Buckinghamster]

I'm new to this site so am behind the pace.I live in Buckingham. Can confirm Tingewick. 'Tinswick' appears regularly in census returns and I believe has more to do with the local dialect than spelling ability! I cannot find any more Manders or Maunders other than the workhouse girl. Have you considered she she was illegitimate/abandoned?

[Buckinghamster]

Hi, Me Again. Just by chance was looking at some old Bucks maps from 19th & 18th century t'other day, and guess what - Tingewick regularly appears spelled 'Tinswick' or Tingwick'. Spoke to an elderly Tingewick resident whio tells me his father, who was a farmworker always called the village Tinswick - pronounced in the local dialect 'Tinsick.' I guess the mapmakers and the census enumerators wrote down what they heard. The village is a mile and a half west of Buckingham on the Oxford Road.

[Steve Steere]

Hi Buckhamster,

Very many thanks for your hard work much appreciated. Local dialect often brings up unusual spellings, something we often forget.

No doubt I'll solve the mystery of Hannah now by looking at the Bucks 1841, so another job to do when I next visit the FRC.

Thanks again.

Steve