Christina Sutherland

[Abbreviation]

After a few false starts I think I am getting somewhere with the Nuttall family.
I had been looking at John Nuttall and found his birth certificate with parents Charles John Nuttall and mother Christina Rutherford. I have them in the 1871 census Class: RG10; Piece: 16; Folio: 45; Page: 14; and the 1881 Class: RG11; Piece: 2; Folio: 74; Page: 13.
I'm now looking for marriages between Charles and Christina or Christina appearing on any earlier census. She was quite a bit older than Charles. In fact I am noticing a worrying trend in my family where the females prefer younger men:ihih: Any help much appreciated

[MarkJ]

I presume this is pre-1837?
I haven't looked at the census refs to be honest, but did a quick scout around the BMDs and nothing obvious cropped up, which makes me think this may be early or not in England and Wales...

Mark

[Nicolina]

looking at the original Census Image (1871) Charles' birthplace says Haddington which is in Scotland. Could they have been married in Scotland and lived there pre-1866?

[Abbreviation]

Yes they could have. I am a bit dubious of the birthplace of Charles being given as Haddington, especially as the 1881 says Paddington! Also in 1871 it gives his wife's name as Christopher. Also looking at the birth cert for John W, family and I are not convinced it says Rutherford, looks more like Sutherland now! I knew I should have gone to sp** sav***!

[MarkJ]

No marriage for a Charles Nuttall and a Sutherland that I could see - I think the Scotland suggestion may well be a possibility, with Sutherland being a fairly common name up in the North of Britain.

Mark

[Kerrywood]

looking at the birth cert for John W, family and I are not convinced it says Rutherford, looks more like Sutherland now! I knew I should have gone to sp** sav***!
This is obviously a key piece of information. So if you can upload a small extract from the birth certificate showing the name, members might be able to help you decipher it.

There are instructions for how to do that in this thread (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?57255-How-to-use-Photobucket).

[malcolm99]

Can I just throw in my penn'orth? I had a good look around at this this morning and got nowhere; but it did strike me that an awful lot of Nuttal's come from Haslingden in Lancashire - not so different from Haddington/Paddington especially as the 1871 Census says “Headdington” [sic] (and does the ‘scrawl’ say London?) – and in the 1881 Census couldn’t the enumerator have put down Paddington instead of, say, Haslingden, as he’d never have heard of the latter but was distracted by the fact that John had been born in Paddington?

Just a thought – I might be completely off the target!

malcolm99

[malcolm99]

Just thought I'd better double-check this, but it turns out that there are 22 pages of Nuttall's from Haslingden on the FMP 1881 Census index.

[Kerrywood]

the 1871 Census says “Headdington” [sic] (and does the ‘scrawl’ say London?)

My thoughts are that the scrawl says Lincoln. For what it's worth, there is a Haddington in Lincolnshire.

But I do think we need to establish the mother's maiden name from the child's birth certificate. :wink5:

[malcolm99]

My thoughts are that the scrawl says Lincoln. :

Until I actually put pen to paper (in a manner of speaking) I also thought the scrawl said Lincoln - it could well be!

[malcolm99]

It's the famous East Lothian question again isn't it?!

Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland - it appears to be that because of the proximity of "Headdington" to "Scotland" in the "where born" field.....:smile5:

[malcolm99]

Jumping ahead slightly of Abbreviation's original question, there is this:

1861 Census – Charles NUTTAL, Unmarried, age 21, Agricultural Labourer living in and born Harmston, Lincolnshire. Parents: William and Elizabeth. Harmston is about 3 miles east of Haddington.

[Nicolina]

think his father must have had a boat and a bike.

Incidently I also though the scrawl said Lincoln.
There were definitely NUTTALLs around Haddington, Lincolnshire at the right time
Marriages:
22nd May 1854 Charles NUTTALL, son of Charles, to Ann HUNT, daughter of Jonathon, at Dunholme (14 miles from Haddington, Lincs)
28th October 1858 John NUTTALL, son of Jonathon, to Elizabeth HARMSTON, daughter of John at Waddington (5 miles from Haddington, Lincs)
11th Jan 1864 Thomas NUTTALL, son of William, to Mary Elizabeth MITCHELL, daughter of John, at Canwick (7 miles from Haddington, Lincs)

[Nicolina]

given all that's gone before, there's an interesting entry on the 1861 Census:
RG09/2299/120 Page 23
Lodge, Thorpe Satchville, Leicestershire
Charles NUTTALL b. abt. 1829 in Harmston, Lincs, occ: Agricultural Labourer Carter
Ann NUTTALL b. abt. 1835 in Market Rasen, Lincs.
George NUTTALL b. abt. 1855 in Burton, Lincs
Elizabeth NUTTALL b. abt. 1857 in Burton, Lincs
Mary NUTTALL b. abt. 1858 in Harmston, Lincs
Charles NUTTALL b. abt. 1860 in Thorpe Satchville, Leicestershire

[Abbreviation]

Hi all, sorry I haven't got back about mother's maiden name. I haven't got a scanner so didn't know how to proceed with uploading a part of birth cert on to forum. I have asked a friend of the family who is a solicitor to check and he says definately Sutherland! Actually can't see why we thought it was Rutherford at first! DOB for John William 24/1/1867 looks like 51 Woodchester st. Paddington. Father Charles occupation stableman.
Could be the scrawl on the census says Haddington Lincoln! Any more help much appreciated

[Kerrywood]

I'm now looking for marriages between Charles and Christina or Christina appearing on any earlier census. She was quite a bit older than Charles.
I gather no marriage has been found as yet, so it would be good to establish a better place of birth for Christina than just Scotland.

Perhaps this is she?

1891 census (record held by TNA, Crown copyright)
RG12; Piece: 1; Folio 66; Page 56
37 Brindley Street, Paddington
Christina NUTTALL [no relationship] Wid 60 Charwoman born Scotland Invergordon
(other surnames in the house - WILLIAMS family, DYSON, BURTON)

Possible death ... ?
Jun Qtr 1913
NUTTALL Christina age 80
Uxbridge vol 3a page 45

[Sue Mackay]

Mm, Ivergordon is in Ross and Cromarty. The Ancestry index to the 1851 Scottish census (you would need to buy credits on Scotlandspeople to access the full original) has a Christina Sutherland, aged 22, born "Maer Gordon, Rossshire", which looks a pretty good candidate for a mistranscription of Invergordon.
Parish: Edinburgh Canongate; ED: Magdalen Asylum; Page: 15; Line: 3; Roll 1020; Year: 1851
Sadly she was an inmate of this place (http://edinburghsdarkside.blogspot.com/2009/02/edinburgh-magdalene-asylum.html). Not certain this is her, of course, but maybe worth investigating?

PS Have changed the thread title from Rutherford to Sutherland.