Ernest, you cannot be 132 years old....!

[British Viking]

My great-grandfather's daughter married an Ernest Tremaine on 25th March 1902 in Islington aged 24 which would mean he was born in 1878.

He's in the 1911 census with his wife and daughter still in Islington, London and he's age 33 then.

After that I can find absolutely no trace of him. Tried Anc... and FreeBMD - no luck. Only thing I did find was same name died at Cleveland which is miles away from London. Oct-Dec 1943 ref: 9d 503. Doubt very much that's him.

If he's still around at age 132 no wonder there's a recession on with him drawing his pension from the govt for nigh 67 years..... :lol:

Any tips on finding him towards the end of his life?

Thanks

BV

[Jan1954]

Only thing I did find was same name died at Cleveland which is miles away from London. Oct-Dec 1943 ref: 9d 503. Doubt very much that's him.
No? Does the age given pan out? My Dad's great aunt Agnes was born in Kent and worked her whole life in London. However, she died and was buried in Yorkshire! :confused5: It transpires that she was living with a very good friend there when she died.

The choices:
1. Do a bit of digging in local newspapers to see if there is a death/funeral notice that throws up some clues
2. Grill the family to see if they have an inkling of what happened to the chap
3. (My favourite) Order the certificate to see if it is your chap :wink5:

[junedye64]

There's a WW1 service record on ancestry for Ernest Tremaine age 38 from Peckham London.

Next of kin Nanna Helen Tremaine (Wife)

Daughter Ena Florence born 1906 Islington.

June

[British Viking]

Hi Junedye,

Never knew about Ernest's WW1 records - thanks for that info!

Yes, Nanna was my great-grandfather's daughter and Ena we all knew as Auntie Ena whom we all adored. Alas at that time, we "should" have asked her family questions but, being kids then, the topic never crossed our minds....

Actually on Nanna's death cert, Ena is the informant and Nanna is listed as a widow of Ernest Tremaine, a nightwatchman in a plastics factory.....

[Keyboard86]

Hi Junedye,

Never knew about Ernest's WW1 records - thanks for that info!

Yes, Nanna was my great-grandfather's daughter and Ena we all knew as Auntie Ena whom we all adored. Alas at that time, we "should" have asked her family questions but, being kids then, the topic never crossed our minds....

Actually on Nanna's death cert, Ena is the informant and Nanna is listed as a widow of Ernest Tremaine, a nightwatchman in a plastics factory.....

Following on from the Junedye post, this is taken from the National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918 on the FMP site:-

E Tremaine Private South Staffordshire Regiment.

He Volunteered in November 1915, and was employed at various home stations until March 1917, when he was sent to France.

There he participated in strenuous fighting in Ypres, Paschendael, Arras, Cambrai and on the Somme front, and was wounded at Cambrai in November 1917.

He was later in action in various sectors during the allied advance in 1918, and was ultimately demobilised in February 1919, holding the General Service and Victory Medals.

He was residing at 111, Brookdale Road Catford SE6

Sounds a great guy!

Keyboard86

[British Viking]

Many thanks Keyboard for that info as I'm not a member of FMP (you must have used up a bit of credit on my behalf there, many thanks).

The wounds probably explains why he took a "light" job as nightwatchman after his discharge as shown on his wife's death certificate in 1957.

A bit surprised he remained a Private throughout his time in the army. I would have thought, after his brave deeds, he would have been promted somewhat?

[Mutley]

His service record is on Ancestry.
He was 5ft 4 3/4 inches tall with a 39 inch chest!
His regtl number was 242349.

Not that that helps with his death. ;)

What about Ernest Tremain
Death registered in Dec 1956 at Surrey Northern 5g/394
He was 75 years old.

Peckham used to be Surrey and the age is only a couple of years out.

[British Viking]

Hi Muttley

Yes, that entry in Ancestry is correct as his army number there tallies with all the other papers I already hold. Never knew about the chest though!

Hmmm, might try that Perckham fella and get the cert. Fingers crossed it'll be £9.25 well invested......!

Thanks for your help

[RobinC]

There's these two births which partially match:

Births Dec 1879
Tremain Ernest St. Columb, Cornwall 5c 89

Births Mar 1881
TREMAIN Ernest Howard Bromley, Kent 2a 416

I couldn't find a birth in 1878 for a Tremain / Tremaine.

[British Viking]

Thanks RobinC,

Forgot to mention I have him on the 1911 census living in Islington with wife and 4 yr old daughter. This shows him as being born in "Marylebone, London".

Wonder if the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses (all prior to his marriage in 1902) might throw light on who his parents were thus should "agree" with whichever birth cert I plumb for.......?

Know wot I mean?

[British Viking]

That's weird. I've just had a nosey at the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses and this Ernest fella's not in any of them!

The only thing I can think of is his name was grossly mis-spelt (three times?!!) or him and his family were out of the UK for a few short years although his marriage cert does show his father, George Tremaine, as being "deceased" then (1902 marriage)....... the plot thickens.......

[Jan1954]

Well, the only Ernest TREMAIN (various spellings) that I can see in 1881 with a Dad George appears to be the chap that RobinC found (Births Mar 1881 TREMAIN Ernest Howard, Bromley, Kent 2a 416).

RG11, Piece 859, folio 56, page 57:

George TREMAIN, 33, Ironmonger
Ada E. TREMAIN, 31
George E. TREMAIN, 2
Ernest H. TREMAIN, 3 m
Adelaide DENTON, Servant, 14

All living at High Street, Orpington

Does it give the deceased George's occupation on the wedding certificate?

I wonder if he fibbed about his age when he married, especially if she was older than he.......

[British Viking]

Yes George's occupation on Ernest's wedding cert says George Tremaine (deceased) Commercial Traveller. Not sure what that means.....could mean anything I suppose? OK I'll get that birth cert and see what it says (goes to sideboard, places knife in piggy bank and rattles out £9.25.....)

[Colin Rowledge]

Yes
OK I'll get that birth cert and see what it says (goes to sideboard, places knife in piggy bank and rattles out £9.25.....)

and wait 3 weeks for an update to this thread from B-V.

[Mutley]

and wait 3 weeks for an update to this thread from B-V.

Nah! B-V is in London, might only take 20 days. ;)

[Kerrywood]

Well, the only Ernest TREMAIN (various spellings) that I can see in 1881 with a Dad George appears to be the chap that RobinC found (Births Mar 1881 TREMAIN Ernest Howard, Bromley, Kent 2a 416).

RG11, Piece 859, folio 56, page 57:

George TREMAIN, 33, Ironmonger
Ada E. TREMAIN, 31
George E. TREMAIN, 2
Ernest H. TREMAIN, 3 m
Adelaide DENTON, Servant, 14

All living at High Street, Orpington

In 1891 this Ada E TREMAIN (widowed) and son George 12 are in Hove, with no sign of Ernest H.
RG12; Piece: 818; Folio 48; Page 10 (reference to record held by TNA).

Maybe this Ernest H. TREMAIN died as a baby?

Deaths
Sep Qtr 1881
TREMAIN Ernest Howard aged 0
Bromley 2a 202

[Keyboard86]

Not sure if our Ironmonger man is the right one to be classed as a Comercial traveller, as this is the 1891:-

1891 Census

George Tremain Head Widower 70 occ Blacksmith Ironmonger, Wheelwright & Coach builder born Cudham Kent
George Son 42 occ Blacksmith born Croydon Surrey
Katherine A Daugh 26 occ Housekeeper born Caterham Surrey
Alfred H Son 20 occ Assistant Stewards Clerk born Caterham Surrey

Residing at Ironmongers Croydon Road Caterham

Census ref RG12/582/105/37

Census ref courtesy of and copyright TNA

I would have thought this man would have been proud to have called himself anything other than a "Commercial Traveller"!

Keyboard86

[Keyboard86]

Oh my my my I picked the wrong blessed one!

Goodnight from an red faced Keyboard!!!

[Kerrywood]

Well I don't think any of us has got the right one yet . . . :wink5:

[Lizzy9]

Well, the only Ernest TREMAIN (various spellings) that I can see in 1881 with a Dad George appears to be the chap that RobinC found (Births Mar 1881 TREMAIN Ernest Howard, Bromley, Kent 2a 416).

RG11, Piece 859, folio 56, page 57:

George TREMAIN, 33, Ironmonger
Ada E. TREMAIN, 31
George E. TREMAIN, 2
Ernest H. TREMAIN, 3 m
Adelaide DENTON, Servant, 14

All living at High Street, Orpington

Does it give the deceased George's occupation on the wedding certificate?

I wonder if he fibbed about his age when he married, especially if she was older than he.......

Unfortunately, this Ernest probably isn't yours. In 1891 Ada and young George are together, and a death was registered in Bromley Sept qrt 1881 for Ernest Howard Tremain age 0

[British Viking]

Gosh...I'm confused!

Ernest is listed as being 3 months old in 1881. Later his age is 0 (in same year) and he passes away. Father George aged 33 in 1881, son (also George) aged 2. Come 1891 George Snr is not there whilst Ada and George jnr are in Hove albeit Ernest-less. Soimething wrong there? Possibly not THE Ernest Tremaine (or Tremain) I'm looking for? So elusive......(Lizzy9's probably right - not him.......have to start from scratch again.....!)

[Lizzy9]

Sorry, I've obviously duplicated Kerrywood's info in post 16. I really must pay attention:frown2:

I've tried and tried and come up with zilch :confused5::confused5:

Maybe his father died when he was young, mum remarried and Ernest is on the census with Mum's surname. That doesn't explain why we can't find a birth registration though. Maybe his birth first name wasn't Ernest?

[British Viking]

This is where being able to access the 1921 census would come in mighty handy!

[British Viking]

Relax folks - the certs came through this morning!

The death cert is definitely him. Died aged 75 years so a good life. The birth cert I'm not sure about.

You win some, you lose some.......