Certificate Wording

[cristol]

A copy of my mother's birth certificate issued in 1939 Has the wording
"Supplied at the special fee of 6d applicable in certain statutory cases"
and also
"This certificate is issued for the purposes of ..... Employment of young person(handwritten) .....and for no other use or purposes whatever"
Now as my mother would have been only 14 years old this makes sense. But I was just wondering why a distinction would be made for different circumstances - was it just a matter of the cost? and were there other circumstances. Also wondering whether (despite the wording) she would have been able to use this certificate all the time as I haven't come across another one at all.

Secondly - it set me wondering....whether such statuary cases still exist ? and why can't one of those be the certificates we order at great cost merely for our own private research - 6d sounds a much better price !
Lesley :yes:

[louisa maud]

I think these we used for employment, I have seen a similar on about 1914 ish when a young lad was going into the forces, I wonder if it differs much from a usual certificate?

Louisa Maud

[cristol]

Yes, I have to assume that it was for employment purposes and although my mum was very hard working all her life, I had no idea that she was working at around 14 years of age or what she would have been doing. I know she was working in a factory during the war, so it may have been that, as I think factories were more regulated than some employment - The factories act comes to mind from my school days history - young children working in the mills etc, so probably something to do with this. But it's the only birth certificate I have found for her so don't know if she used this all her life.
Lesley

[Waitabit]

Cristol, was this a very 'just the dregs' of a certificate, with Birth details or an extracted view giving Father & his Employ,.. Mother & her.. etc.?

This is what Australian certificates offered with or without the nitty gritty, unless you ordered th 'full' certificate.

[Peter Goodey]

was it just a matter of the cost

Yes. They were cheaper if needed for certain specified reasons but could only be used for that specific purpose.

[cristol]

Yes. They were cheaper if needed for certain specified reasons but could only be used for that specific purpose.

So you think there would also be a "proper" certificate of birth around somewhere. I am assuming this because she had a passport etc.
Lesley

[cristol]

Cristol, was this a very 'just the dregs' of a certificate, with Birth details or an extracted view giving Father & his Employ,.. Mother & her.. etc.?

This is what Australian certificates offered with or without the nitty gritty, unless you ordered th 'full' certificate.

Hi Wendy
It is a full extract with all the usual details just that it has all the extre "Bumph" along the top.
Lesley

[Peter Goodey]

So you think there would also be a "proper" certificate of birth around somewhere. I am assuming this because she had a passport etc.

Not quite sure what you mean. You can have as many certificates as you choose to get.

[Waitabit]

Hi Wendy
It is a full extract with all the usual details just that it has all the extre "Bumph" along the top.
Lesley

Perhaps the etra 'bumh' at the top was to prevent people getting a 'cheapie' certificate to use for passports or whatever instead of paying the full cost.
As most people would have need them to get work it's nice that the cheapie was available.. makes you wonder tho' how some Lads got into the services under-age! Maybe the sign-up Officer didn't care?

[cristol]

Not quite sure what you mean. You can have as many certificates as you choose to get.

Sorry Peter, I realise that I didn't make myself very clear.It's just that this is the only certificate I have so far come across amongst my mum's paperwork. I have her marriage cert and I do love to have original paperwork and had just assumed that this was her original birth cert until I read the extra wording. Would an original cert always have been issued at registration in 1925 or would that have cost extra? Maybe my Grandparents couldn't afford one at the time or maybe it was just lost.
Lesley

[cristol]

.. makes you wonder tho' how some Lads got into the services under-age! Maybe the sign-up Officer didn't care?
Yes it does make you wonder especially as so many of the youngsters seemed to manage it. My favourite quote was when a young lad was asked his age he replied "15" To which the recruiting officer said well go outside sonny and walk round the block and come back in when you are 16 ! :smilewinkgrin: