Hazel Goodger

[RobinC]

Whilst researching my grandmother's side of the family, I have come across my 3 x great grandmother Eliza Goodger.

This is where the problem starts as I have found Eliza's baptism record amongst Ancestry's London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 collection and it provides the following information:

Name: Eliza Goodger
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Nov 1847
Father's Name: John Goodger
Mother's Name: Hazel Goodger
Parish: St Mary, Hayes
Borough: Hillingdon
County: Middlesex

I can't find any trace of Hazel whether it be in censuses or a marriage to John Goodger.

[Lizzy9]

Look at this census, Robin.

1851.

Class: HO107; Piece: 1470; Folio: 354; Page: 3 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

[AdeleE]

I've just looked at the image and the mother's name is Hazel Elponi. There is another baptism of a child named Hannah at St Stephen's Hammersmith on 24 Aug 1851, parents John Goodger & Hazel Elponi.

Do you have your Eliza Goodger on the 1851 census?

[RobinC]

Look at this census, Robin.

1851.

Class: HO107; Piece: 1470; Folio: 354; Page: 3 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

I've searched using the census reference but can't seem to find John, Hazel or Eliza Goodger......

[RobinC]

I've just looked at the image and the mother's name is Hazel Elponi. There is another baptism of a child named Hannah at St Stephen's Hammersmith on 24 Aug 1851, parents John Goodger & Hazel Elponi.

Do you have your Eliza Goodger on the 1851 census?

The earliest that I've got Eliza is the 1871 census. I didn't see the name "Elponi" when I first looked!

[Lizzy9]

I've searched using the census reference but can't seem to find John, Hazel or Eliza Goodger......

Transcribed as Goodyear.

[blue eyes]

They are under the spelling of Goodyear.

[blue eyes]

Snap......

[AdeleE]

And a third child baptized at St Mary Stoke Newington on Oct 2 1853, born Jul 7 1853, Elizabeth Mary, parents John Goodger & Mary Elponi, child's surname recorded as Wedd, I think.

[RobinC]

Transcribed as Goodyear.

Thank you Lizzy,

It looks like Elponi was Hazel's middle name as Ancestry have her transcribed as "Harelelpon"

[RobinC]

I'm getting confused now.

Is "Elponi" Hazel's middle name or surname?
Where did "Wedd" come from?

[Lizzy9]

I imagine her name was Hazelelponi (all one word) It's a biblical name

[RobinC]

Right, re-cap time.

Eliza's parents are John & Hazelelponi Goodger.

We've made a little headway here but there doesn't seem to be a marriage at the moment and the name "Wedd" is still confusing me.

[AdeleE]

If the couple are not married, then that minister may have insisted on baptizing the child under the mother's surname. According to the 1851 census, Hazelponi is born in Bassingbourn Cambridgeshire.

There is a Wedd family on the 1841 census in Bassingbourn. Hazelelponi may be the 14 year old Hannah Wedd on that census.

The Goodger family is still together on the 1861 census at RG9; Piece: 24; Folio: 79; Page: 26, with the addition of 2 year old Amelia. Hazelponi now seems to be listed as Elizabeth. I think it's the same person as the place of birth remains Cambridgeshire and the age is the same.

[RobinC]

I think you've got the right family as there is a Sarah Aon the 1851 census, aged 18 months and a Sarah Ann on the 1861 census, aged 11.

All the birthplaces tally in both censuses and Eliza's birthplace in the 1851 census is Hayes, Middlesex but her birthplace differs in every census from 1871 onwards.

[Jan1954]

In 1820, there is the baptism of a Hazelponi WEDD to parents Joseph and Susannah in Bassingbourn. However, just to confuse matters, there is also the baptism of a Hazelelponi WEDD - also to Joseph and Susannah - in 1824.


There is a Wedd family on the 1841 census in Bassingbourn. Hazelelponi may be the 14 year old Hannah Wedd on that census.It looks like Joseph and Susannah also had a daughter Hannah baptised in 1827, so this 1841 reference is perhaps not her.

The above records have been taken from the Cambridgeshire Family History Society (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D2149&breadcrumb=Family+History+Societies+%26+Groups:Cam bridgeshire+FHS)'s database and indicate that "there is more than the normal information on the Parish Record".

Methinks that the Parish Records could be the way to go.

EDIT: Further to the above, there is a Bassingbourn burial of a Hazelponi WEDD in 1822, aged 2

[RobinC]

So Hazelelponi was born to Joseph & Susannah Wedd, is it safe to say that the first Hazelelponi didn't survive so they used the name again?

Thank you to everyone who's replied as you've made short work of this!

[Lizzy9]

So Hazelelponi was born to Joseph & Susannah Wedd, is it safe to say that the first Hazelelponi didn't survive so they used the name again?

Thank you to everyone who's replied as you've made short work of this!

I would be inclined to think the first Hazelelponi died, Robin.

[Lizzy9]

There's a Joseph Wedd, age 50, in Bassingbourn on the 1841 census.

HO107; Piece 63; Book: 4 Folio: 6; Page: 7; (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

[Jan1954]

There's a Joseph Wedd, age 50, in Bassingbourn on the 1841 census.

HO107; Piece 63; Book: 4 Folio: 6; Page: 7; (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)If the chap is on his own (ie no discernable wife) then there is what could be the burial of Susannah WEDD in 1829 at the age of 33 in Bassingbourn.

[RobinC]

There's a Joseph Wedd, age 50, in Bassingbourn on the 1841 census.

HO107; Piece 63; Book: 4 Folio: 6; Page: 7; (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

I've just found him, but can't find any sign of Susannah.

On another note, further up the page from Joseph is a family of Wedd's:

James Wedd aged 55
Ellenor Wedd aged 20
Benjamin Wedd aged 14
William Wedd aged 11
Thomas Wedd aged 8
Emma Wedd aged 5
Mary Wedd aged 81
Hannah Wedd aged 14

[Lizzy9]

If the chap is on his own (ie no discernable wife) then there is what could be the burial of Susannah WEDD in 1829 at the age of 33 in Bassingbourn.

Which fits with the IGI having baptisms (parents Joseph and Susannah) in Bassingbourn for six children 1818 - 1827.

[Jan1954]

The above records have been taken from the Cambridgeshire Family History Society (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D2149&breadcrumb=Family+History+Societies+%26+Groups:Cam bridgeshire+FHS)'s database and indicate that "there is more than the normal information on the Parish Record".

Methinks that the Parish Records could be the way to go.Hmmm.... with all these WEDDs appearing and the annotation about the extra information on the CFHS database, perhaps this (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=viewproduct&cat=&id=P82880&pageOffset=0) may be of assistance.

[RobinC]

Hmmm.... with all these WEDDs appearing and the annotation about the extra information on the CFHS database, perhaps this (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=viewproduct&cat=&id=P82880&pageOffset=0) may be of assistance.

Thanks Jan, I decided to take the plunge and bought that cd when I looked at the link in your earlier post.

I can't find Joseph in 1851 so I think he died between 1841 and 1851 and have found 2 deaths which are possibles:

Deaths Mar 1843
WEDD Joseph Pattison Royston &c. 6 429

Deaths Jun 1845
WEDD Joseph Royston &c 6 391

[Lizzy9]

They are on the 1871 census and with them is Mary Ann Wedd 45 (sister in law) who is enumerated as a widow - so must be the wife of Hazelelpini's brother.

RG10; Piece: 65; Folio: 66; Page: 6; (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

[Lizzy9]

Mary Ann was married to Hazelelponi's brother, Amos.

[RobinC]

I wonder why Hazelelponi changed her name to Elizabeth? Maybe it was because it was easier to pronounce?

[RobinC]

I've just been looking at the IGI and have found the following record which could be Joseph:

Christening: 12 SEP 1790 Melbourn, Cambridge, England
Father: BENJAMIN WEDD
Mother: MARY

It is member submitted though!

Have also found his marriage to Susannah.

Spouse: SUSANNAH DOCWRA
Marriage: 31 MAR 1817 Bassingbourn, Cambridge, England

Susannah's parents appear to be William Docwra & Elizabeth Quy.

Christening: 15 MAY 1795 Bassingbourn, Cambridge, England
Parents:
Father: William Docwra
Mother: Elizabeth Quy'

Another member submitted record and there is also a christening the following year on the same date.

[RobinC]

I've just found him, but can't find any sign of Susannah.

On another note, further up the page from Joseph is a family of Wedd's:

James Wedd aged 55
Ellenor Wedd aged 20
Benjamin Wedd aged 14
William Wedd aged 11
Thomas Wedd aged 8
Emma Wedd aged 5
Mary Wedd aged 81
Hannah Wedd aged 14

Looking at the IGI, it states a marriage between Benjamin Wedd & Mary Hareman in 1784, thus making me believe that Mary Wedd in the family above is Joseph's mother!

[Lizzy9]

Yes, Robin I too saw that family on the census. And I feel there probably is a connection but you need more evidence before assuming. There's a member submitted entry for the birth of James, parents Benjamin and Mary. Have you looked at the Hugh Wallis site to see whether Melbourn PR's are on the IGI for the years relevant to your research?

[RobinC]

What is the Hugh Wallis site?

[Lizzy9]

Robin, Google "Hugh Wallis" and up it will pop.

[RobinC]

I did that and found the following which doesn't help with a 1786 birth:

Melbourn
C138262 1852-1877 M138262 1852-1877
(Independent) C074001 1800-1837

I don't know if I've got the right info though as loads of sites came up.

[Lizzy9]

I did that and found the following which doesn't help with a 1786 birth:

Melbourn
C138262 1852-1877 M138262 1852-1877
(Independent) C074001 1800-1837

I don't know if I've got the right info though as loads of sites came up.

It seems Melbourn PR's are not available on the IGI for the period you require. You will have to try and find another resource.

Look here for information ............. genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CAM/Melbourn/index.html (put www. in front)

[RobinC]

I had a look there and found parish registers for Melbourn & Meldrith on cd but my card is being refused for some reason, despite available funds.

[Lizzy9]

You may have better luck here. http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D2208

[RobinC]

You may have better luck here. http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D2208

It seems that CFHS has an a partnership with Parish Chest as the original link re-directs you to Parish Chest.

[RobinC]

Got the cd rom for Bassingbourn's parish registers and Hazelponi who was born in 1820, died aged 2 years. Joseph & Susannah then had Hazelelponi in 1824 who was my descendant.

[SmartFish]

Just to confirm, Joseph WEDD and Susannah DOCWRA had a daughter Hazelelponi b1820 Bassingbourn, d1822 Bassingbourn.

They then had the second Hazelelponi in 1824. The practice of giving children the same name as older siblings who had died in infancy is not uncommon - at least in my family. In one case they actually have three goes at it ("I'm going to have son called Nathaniel if it KILLS me!").

The name is sometimes mispelled Hazelelpone, Hazelponi etc etc; it comes from I Chronicles 43. The Wedd family tree (including both Hazelelponis) is at

http://
weddfamily.tribalpages.com

Corrections, additions - even derision - welcomed.

[RobinC]

I've just had another look at the family in 1871 and there are two boarders named James Goodger & William Goodger who were both born in Floo, Kent in 1812 & 1834 respectively.

I can't find where "Floo" is or was but John Goodger states that he was born in Gillingham on the 1851 census and Frindsbury on the 1871 census.

Is it possible that James, William & John were related?

[SmartFish]

I've just had another look at the family in 1871 and there are two boarders named James Goodger & William Goodger who were both born in Floo, Kent in 1812 & 1834 respectively.

I can't find where "Floo" is or was

If you look at the 1871 census page again, I think you'll find that 'Floo' is actually 'Hoo'. What looks like the upper portion of the 'F' is actually a descender from the 'P' on the line above.


but John Goodger states that he was born in Gillingham on the 1851 census and Frindsbury on the 1871 census.

Is it possible that James, William & John were related?

Sounds very likely. Hoo is about 5 miles northeast of Frindsbury, and Gillingham a couple of miles further southeast across the River Medway.

[SmartFish]

Joseph & Susannah then had Hazelelponi in 1824 who was my descendant.

Ancestor, I hope. or else you're very, very old... :-)

[RobinC]

Ancestor, I hope. or else you're very, very old... :-)

I'm not that old yet but am blaming tiredness for that mistake!