Carmans/Mc Brides Durham and Lancashire

[Jackie Reilly]

I apologise for the length of this message before I begin! I'm trying to establish 1. How my grandparents met and marrried.
and 2. Are there any living relatives in Lancashire?

The Carmans left Norfolk and went to Seaham then to Bury, Lancs.
I think the McBrides went from Ireland to Seaham to Wigan and then Isabella went to Bury. The trail looks like this:

1871 census return for Seaham:
William Carman b. 1831 Mileham, Norfolk /Susan b. Ireland 1833
Robert b. Mileham
Pleasant b. 1857 Mileham
Maria b. 1862 Bury, Lancs
John b. 1864 Shotton, Durham
William b. 1866 Seaton, Durham
James b. 1868 Thornley, Durham
Thomas b. 1870 Seaton, Durham

Patrick McBride b. 1840, Glenkel, Ireland/Catherine b. 1847 Westport, Ireland
Mary b. 1869 Crook, Durham
Isabella b. 1870 Crook,

By 1881 the McBrides were in Wigan, Lancs and had added to their family:
Anne b. Durham
James b. Durham
Patrick b. Durham
Catherine b. 1880 Wigan, Lancs

The Carmans were in Bury by 1881 where they had one addition to the family, Frederick b. 1877.

That two people from Wigan and Bury met and married is no surprise, but the fact that both James Carman my grandfather and Isabella McBride my grandmother, were born in Crook with Billy Row, Durham is either a huge coincidence or the families were friends and kept in touch when they moved to Lancashire.

Many of the Carmans next emigrated to New Bedford, Massachusetts.

Anyone got any other ideas? If any of this seems familiar to you I'd be very pleased to hear from you.

Jackie Reilly

[uksearch]

You do not say if you have their marriage details.Freebmd shows a Bury marriage mar qtr 1898 8c 739 for this couple.

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[Jackie Reilly]

Yes, I had found this but thank you for devoting time to look this up whilst lurking in Central Library. I know it well, many's the time I lurked there instead of studying.

1898 is also the year I think James' father died in Bury. I'm a sad person who has to sit at the computer with a calculator working out the dates.

I note that you're an experienced researcher. I've just discovered through the forum that I've been paying over the odds for copies of certificates but would you now say that it's a pretty safe bet that the next step would be to purchase the marriage certificate? I've found witnesses, best man, bridesmaid, etc on other certificates which have helped to verify family details.

Regards

Jackie

[uksearch]

I would hang fire for a short while.MCL has a good selection of Bury PRs, why pay for a certificate if you can get a photocopy for much less? Of course it could be a civil marriage which would scupper that plan.

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[uksearch]

I have checked most of the Bury PRs that are on film at MCL.As yet I have not found the marriage.I will check the rest on Tuesday.The PRs for St Mary the Virgin are held in the Archive so unless there are extraordinary circumstances I will not be able to photocopy the entry should I find it there.

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[uksearch]

They were at 41 Wood St,Elton,Bury in 1901(RG 13 3636 folio 97) with sons Peter aged 2 and James aged 1.

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[Jackie Reilly]

Yes, they are, and their next child was Catherine my mother b. 1904.

William 1 married Pleasance Wright in 1852 and then Susan ? from Ireland. I know that Pleasance died in 1858 and after that he is with a Susan for many years until he died in Bury in 1898. Anyone able to check when he married Susan?

Susan travelled to America twice with her sons and daughters, the last recorded voyage in 1905 at the age of 70. Does anyone have a record of her death in the UK?

May I take this opportunity to thank everyone involved with this forum for the tremendous help and friendly banter which is a delight to read. I have learned so much from reading other peoples' searches and following the guidance from the many experienced researchers who give their time so willingly to help in this search for our precious ancestors.

I've just read all 25 pages of the Mileham census for 1871 and the village characters -the blacksmiths, the labourers, the wheelwrights, the inn keeper, the curate and families etc leapt out from the pages weaving a rich story of agricultural life. I must go there soon.

Best wishes to all.

[uksearch]

St Mary the Virgin PRs were actually on film, sadly I could not find James & Isabella marriage.

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