1901 Census

[Aussie Shep]

I cannot find George Joseph Bynon in the England 1901 Census.
George Joseph Bynon is born 1887-1889 St Olave he is the son of George Henry & Jane S Bynon.
In the 1911 Census George Joseph Bynon is living at 2 Mariners Buildings, Trinity Road, Rotherhithe Street with his father George H J Bynon and Jane Bynon.
RG14 Piece:1935
Can anyone find him in 1901 for me.
thanks in advance

[michaelpipe]

No sign of them, but they can't have been far away, as son Frederick was born Rotherhithe around 1900/01 according to 1911 census. Perhaps if you can obtain a birth certificate for Frederick it may have a place of birth, then you can scour the census for them.

However, as an afterthought, that may turn out to be difficult, as I can't find the birth registration.

[Kerrywood]

Like Michael, I can't find the family at all in 1901.

Just by way of background ...

FreeBMD has these two births

Jun Qtr 1887
BYNON George Henry J
St.Olave 1d 298

Mar Qtr 1889
BYNON George Joseph
St. Olave 1d 296

The 1911 referred to above shows the two oldest sons of George H. J. BYNON and Jane S. as George H. J. BYNON aged 4 and Henry J. BYNON aged 2.

The parents married in 1885. The elder son was apparently baptised George Henry John BYNON on 22 Apr 1887 at St Mary Rotherhithe (born 3 Apr). I can't see a baptism for the younger one.

In 1891 the family is in Rotherhithe at RG12; Piece: 381; Folio 36; Page 23 (reference to record held by TNA, crown copyright). Only the younger son is there, Henry BYNON aged 2. The older one is not at home.

So it seems you have one son missing in 1891, and the other with the "wrong" name in both 1891 and 1911.

Somebody else might find the missing 1901, but meanwhile perhaps Henry J is the same person as George Joseph? Perhaps the parents changed their mind after the birth was registered?

I suspect you will need to order that 1889 birth certificate for George Joseph to find out for sure who his parents were.

[helachau]

Kerrywood
The name difference was confusing me. George Joseph St Olave Mar 1889 1d 296 appearing as Henry on the 1891 census and Henry J on the 1911 Census.
I identified Henry/George Joseph (1889) and Florence (1891) with parents from the 1891 Census, George Henry (1887) staying with Grandmother Susannah Humphries on 1891 Census, Charles (1892), William J (1894) and Frederick (1901) from the 1911 Census.

As you note only 2 of these births apparently recorded - on BMD at least - with GRO.

1901 refuses to yield anything - very odd.

I also notice there was quite a bit of activity in 2005 on the name Bynon.
regards

[AdeleE]

Here are some events before & after the 1901 census:

Baptisms - All Saints Rotherhithe, Diocese of Rochester, County of Surrey

Born 7 Jan 1898, Baptized 26 Jan 1898, Ann, parents George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode 7 Kenning St, labourer

Born 20 Jul 1896, Baptized 26 Jan 1898, Mary Ann, parents George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode 7 Kenning St, labourer

Possible deaths for these two daughters:

Name: Mary Ann Bynon
Year: 1898
Quarter: Jun
Age at Death: 1
District: St Olave Southwark
Volume: 1d
Page: 141

Name: Ann Bynon
Year: 1900
Quarter: Jun
Age at Death: 2
District: St Olave Southwark
Volume: 1d
Page: 155

Baptism - Christ Church Rotherhithe, Diocese of Rochester, County of Surrey

Born 8 Aug 1902, Baptized 1 Jun 1903, Edward, parents George Henry & Jane Susan Bynon, abode 26 Braddon St., Labourer

Possible death registration for Edward:

Name: Edward Bynon
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter: Dec
Age at Death: 4
District: St Olave Bermondsey
County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 119

Perhaps a 1901 census search by address for 7 Kenning St or 26 Braddon St will yield some results?

[AdeleE]

Finally, I've found 2 of their daughters in the 1901 census: Emma Susan born 1885 and Florence Ann born 1890 are recorded as nieces (indexed as Byron) in the Henry Gobbett household in Rotherhithe (RG13; Piece: 397; Folio: 87; Page: 19).

Emma is in the same household in 1891, indexed as Binen (RG12; Piece: 381; Folio 112; Page 36)

Census Crown copyright in care of TNA

[Kerrywood]

Sadly, in 1901 the rest of the family aren't at 7 Kenning Street, Rotherhithe.
RG13/397 folio 55 page 15

Nor at 26 Braddon Street, Rotherhithe.
RG13/400 folio 15 page 23

Piece/folio numbers are given in case anyone would like to browse those areas.
(references to records held by TNA, crown copyright)

[Aussie Shep]

Michael, I did note Frederick in the 1911 census as well, and I too could not find an exact birth registration, I did find a birth registration for a Frederick Joseph Bowman in Lewisham 1901.

My great Uncle is the last remaining son of George Joseph Bynon he is a good age now at 93, he told me that he always thought his dads name was Henry and that they called him Harry; however looking through the certificates we found his father’s name to be George Joseph Bynon. I have found a death registration for a George J Bynon in 1957 although the family are convinced it was around 1968. (my cousin is searching for the original death certificate which he believes he saw the other week whilst at his dads)

My Great Uncle also said he had an Uncle George who was his dads brothers, but why would you have two sons called George. But as Kerrywood found two birth registrations I have ordered the birth certificate for George Joseph Bynon March Qtr 1889. The certificates seem to be taking longer to arrive from the UK lately, so when it does arrive if George Joseph Bynon is the son of George Henry & Jane Susan Bynon nee Humphries then I will order their marriage certificate and then start to search for the other brothers and sisters.

AdeleE I don’t suppose you could see if George Henry John Bynon & Jane Susan Bynon had any of the children baptized, I know there was others: Henry J, b. 1889, Florence, b.1891, Charles, b.1892, William, b.1894, Frederick, b. 1901

Adele thank you for your suggestions, in the 1901 census I did the address search for 7 Kenning Street, Rotherhithe it has a family by the name of Lambert & Rourke residing I had a look at the whole street and could not find any Bynons.

I had a look at 26 Braddon Street & the following Families were residing their Clark & Chappell, McCormack, Witney, Bishop. I had a look at the whole street and could not find any Bynons.

Helachau, it would seem that George Joseph is registered under this name but went by Henry or Harry. You say there is a bit of activity in 2005 with the name Bynon, was it in a particular area?

[Aussie Shep]

AdeleE.. Your a superstar!!! So Emma & Florence are indexed as Byron (there are so many different variations for the name Bynon). Your Amazing, I get so excited when the family start popping up.
So now to work out who the girls are related to Emma or William?

[AdeleE]

AdeleE I don’t suppose you could see if George Henry John Bynon & Jane Susan Bynon had any of the children baptized, I know there was others: Henry J, b. 1889, Florence, b.1891, Charles, b.1892, William, b.1894, Frederick, b. 1901

Yes, they did. Give me a few minutes and I'll transcribe them.

Also, just a friendly reminder not to post any details of your 93 year old great uncle, as he is still alive.

[Aussie Shep]

Thanks Adele :-)

[Aussie Shep]

I just found the marriage registration in 1872
St Olave for Henry Gobbett & Emma Amelia Humphries. So Emma is related to Jane Susan Bynon nee Humphries, am going to have a look through the census to see if I am right. :crazy:

[AdeleE]

St Mary Rotherhithe, County of Surrey

Born 15 Aug 1885, Baptized 4 Sep 1885, Emma Susan, daughter of George Henry John and Jane Susan Bynon, abode 10 Clarence Street, labourer

Born 3 Apr 1887, Baptized 22 Apr 1887, George Henry John, son of George Henry John and Jane Susan Bynon, abode 39 Clarence Street, labourer


All Saints Rotherhithe, County of Surrey

Born 8 Aug, Baptized 27 Aug 1890, Florence Anne, daughter of George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode 62 Clarence St., laborer

Born 5 Nov 1894, Baptized 21 Nov 1894, William Robert, son of George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode 35 Clarence St., laborer

No baptism of a Frederick that I could find.

[Aussie Shep]

Thank you so much adele, that is so helpful.

[helachau]

Aussie Shep,
If you use the search facility (top right of screen) with the key Bynon it delivers previous threads by Martha (2004) and Josie (2005) about the Rotherhithe branch.

regards

I meant to add there is a death registered Dec 1908 Southwark 1d 10 for Florence Ann Bynon age 18 which might be your Florence.

[Aussie Shep]

Thanks for that Helachau, I have emailed them both, hopefully there emails addresses are still current. we seem to have the same descendants.
I did note the death registrations for florence ann, bynon, I also found a marriage for florence ann bynon in 1911 to a charles edward puplett at christ church, watney street, tower hamelts. not sure now.

[AdeleE]

I also found a marriage for florence ann bynon in 1911 to a charles edward puplett at christ church, watney street, tower hamelts. not sure now.

I've had a look at the image of this marriage on the Ancestry London Marriages database. Although the name is written as Florence Ann Bynon in the register, she signs her name Florence Ann Bynom and a witness is Henry Bynom.

It is probably this Florence (from birth index):

Name: Florence Ann Bynom
Year: 1890
Quarter: Sep
District: St George in The East
Volume: 1c
Page: 364

[Aussie Shep]

Thankyou AdeleE, I treated myself to a few credits on the A site and I had a look at the marriage. It is the correct Florence.
I also had a bit of success I thought I would type in the Bynon name on the message board and there was a few people with the same descendants, So I emailed them last night and I have had a reply from Florence's grandaughter, so I am thrilled. we are exchanging emails on what we have. So thankyou for your assistance. :seeya:

[AdeleE]

I treated myself to a few credits on the A site and I had a look at the marriage. It is the correct Florence.


I think I'm losing track of the two Florences. Have you discovered that the Florence in the 1911 marriage of Florence Ann Bynon/Bynom to Charles Edward Puplett is the daughter of George Henry John Bynon & Jane Susan Humphries?

[Aussie Shep]

Florence Ann Bynon born 1890 married Charles Edward Puplett in 1911.

William Robert Bynon born 1894 is the son of George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon. George & Jane had (11) children,
William Robert Bynon married Charlotte Twiddy in 1920 and they had (3) children. Their first child was Florence C Bynon; I have received an email from Florence's Granddaughter.
I should of explained myself better AdeleE I just got caught up in the excitement.
Again thankyou for your help.

[AdeleE]

That's wonderful! I'm so pleased that the forum has enabled this reunion!

[Aussie Shep]

AdeleE it is because of you and all the other wonderful considerate & very patient moderators that make this forum work so well. I have had help from Hugh Thompson, Mutley & Procat, Jap, Pam Downes is amazing, Oh My the list goes on and on. I think the forum is amazing I have sat at my computer somedays and thought where are my ancestors HIDING; i look and I look but to no avail, but as soon as I post on here I am induated with support help, guidance. Your biggest Fan
Aussie Shep. :punk:

[v.wells]

Give all of yourselves a |hug| and a :clap:

Well done!

[Aussie Shep]

Baptisms - All Saints Rotherhithe, Diocese of Rochester, County of Surrey

Born 7 Jan 1898, Baptized 26 Jan 1898, Ann, parents George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode [B]7 Kenning St, labourer

AdeleE, can you tell me where this information was sourced from?

[Keyboard86]

Baptisms - All Saints Rotherhithe, Diocese of Rochester, County of Surrey

Born 7 Jan 1898, Baptized 26 Jan 1898, Ann, parents George Henry John & Jane Susan Bynon, abode [B]7 Kenning St, labourer

AdeleE, can you tell me where this information was sourced from?


Hi I think Adele is off line at present, but I believe that is was found on the London England Births & Baptisms 1813-1906 found on Ancestry

Also additional info Ann was born January 7th 1898 plus her sister Mary Ann was also christened that day born July 20th 1896

Keyboard86

[Keyboard86]

Hi I think Adele is off line at present, but I believe that is was found on the London England Births & Baptisms 1813-1906 found on Ancestry

Also additional info Ann was born January 7th 1898 plus her sister Mary Ann was also christened that day born July 20th 1896

Keyboard86

Apologies for second paragraph, as I now see it has already been answered!
Keyboard86