Sands

[Elizabeth]

Hi
I am looking for an Elizabeth Sands birth. She was born about 1830 in Leigh, Essex. will someone help please

regards Elizabeth

[warncoort]

Elizabeth,
Nothing positive on IGI,but appears LDS have film for Parish records.You might also try Essex OPC or County Records Office.
Eric

[Elma]

Elizabeth
I am not sure about my boundaries. I know Kent and Essex move over the years, perhaps someone else can tell us but there is an Elizabeth Ann Sands born 1829 on the 1851 census. She was born in FarLEIGH Kent.
RG HO107 Piece 1616 Folio 506 Page 5
ELMA

[Mutley]

Hi
I am looking for an Elizabeth Sands birth. She was born about 1830 in Leigh, Essex. will someone help please

regards Elizabeth

Do you have any futher information that would help us,
parents or husband?
Do you have her in any of the census?

[Peter Goodey]

I know Kent and Essex move over the years

There a minor matter of a river between the two counties. Kent and Essex haven't exchanged any territory over the years.

[Elizabeth]

Hi
Thankyou everyone that has answered my request for help the only info that I have is that of her son George Smith's birth cert.1858 she says that her married name is Smith and her husband is George Smith a (soldier) I can not find a marriage for her I have searched every where that I can think of.
I also found her on the 1861 census living at John St. Marylebone. Middlesex.
RG9/88. fOL. 30. p.52. Elizabeth Smith (Laundress) age 31 born Lee, Essex.
and George Smith age 3 born Marylebone, Middlesex. I hope that is of some help.

Thank you
Regards Elizabeth

[grisel]

Hi Elizabeth

If you google Leigh Society there is a web site for the town of Leigh on Sea in Essex and they offer help with family research.

[Mutley]

I seem to have found her in 1891 still in St. John Marylebone. She is a laundress age 60 born in 1831 in Leigh, Essex and is on her own as the head of the household and a widow.
RG12/104/125/24
TNA record, crown copyright

I'll keep looking...

[Mutley]

I am not sure what you think about this one.
1881 census living at 33 Frederick St. St. John, Marylebone
George J. Smith age 48 b. 1833 in Marylebone, a general dealer.
Elizabeth Smith his wife, age 53 born about 1828 in Woodford Essex.

RG11/161/64//44
TNA record, crown copyright

That gives a slightly different place and date of birth to search for if they are yours.

[Mutley]

Getting to look more like it is them. :)

1871 Frederick Street

George Smith, born 1835 in Marylebone, a Chandler Shop Keeper
Elizabeth Smith, his wife, an annuitant born 1828 in Woodford Essex
George J Smith, their son, unmarried age 19,
born 1852 in Stratford. a Clerk.
Jane Jarvis, sister in law UNMARRIED, born 1840 in Stratford.
RG10/184/72/23

Getting to look less like them, :(

I'll have to think on this...

[Mutley]

OK, forget the Woodford born Elizabeth Smith she is in the Infirmary in 1891 and I am sure the 1891 lady in post 8 is yours.

[Elizabeth]

HI All thank you for your help I think that the 1891 census sounds right her son George was born in 1858 Marylebone, Middlesex. as I have his birth cert.
Thank you again anymore help would be most help full. Regards Elizabeth

[Mutley]

I have searched and searched and I am sorry, I cannot find her birth or a marriage for her as Elizabeth Sands.

There is a marriage on FreeBMD with Elizabeth Sands, two other females and only two other men, that means one man is missing.
Sept 1858, Westminster. 1a/508

Of course it could also have been a military marriage :(

[Kerrywood]

There is a marriage on FreeBMD with Elizabeth Sands, two other females and only two other men, that means one man is missing.
Sept 1858, Westminster. 1a/508

It looks like there is one extra female, rather than one missing male? ;)

Perhaps this is Elizabeth and George in 1871 -- as a long shot?
(record held by TNA, crown copyright)

RG10; Piece: 184; Folio: 73; Page: 26
31 Frederick Street, Marylebone (St John)
Joseph CULVERHOUSE Head Mar 60 Cab Drive Watford Herts
Elizabeth CULVERHOUSE Wife Mar 40 Leigh Essex
George CULVERHOUSE Son 12 Marylebone Middlesex

I can't find this marriage either. This may be because Joseph was already married to someone else. He appears married in 1871 (Watford), perhaps to the Mary who appears as his wife in 1861 (Lambeth), if this is all the same person?

I'm afraid this doesn't help you find Elizabeth's birth -- see next post.

Kerrywood

[Kerrywood]

I am looking for an Elizabeth Sands birth. She was born about 1830 in Leigh, Essex.
You will not find a formal birth record at this date (before 1837). You may be able to find a baptism record in the parish register, which will name the parents and may give a date of birth (but not necessarily).

A large number of Essex parishes are not indexed on the IGI, and Leigh is one of these. There is apparently no online parish clerk for Leigh.

The parish registers for Leigh are at the Essex Record Office in Chelmsford. So, unless a forum member is visiting there and can help, you have two basic options:

1. Get a search done by the Essex Record Office's research service -- very helpful, normally quite speedy, and reasonable in cost.

2. If there is an LDS (Mormon) Family History Centre near you in Australia, you can order the LDS film of the Leigh parish register for hire at modest cost. You will then be able to view it for yourself at the centre. This will enable you to look for Elizabeth's baptism yourself, and details of any other family members too.

You can check for the location of LDS centres (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp) and the film number to order (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=596667&disp=Parish+registers++) for Leigh on the LDS site.

As you do not have Elizabeth's father's name from a marriage certificate, you will just have to hope that there is not more than one Elizabeth SANDS baptised in Leigh in the right time-frame. ;)

Kerrywood

[Elizabeth]

Hi
Thank's for your help I think that the 1871 census named as Culverhouse might be the one may be she was not married to Joseph. If you do find anything else please let me know.
Regards Elizabeth

[Elizabeth]

Thank's to everyone for your help if you come across anything that might help me please let me know as this is one of my brick walls.|banghead|
Regards Elizabeth

[Kerrywood]

Elizabeth, people will no doubt post again if they do come across anything, but your next logical step should be the parish registers, as suggested above. :)

Kerrywood