Dowden/Bugbee/Wyckaert families

[Colin Rowledge]

Through marriage there is a connection between the Dowden/Bugbee/Wyckaert families.

Here is what I have:
Joseph Wyckaert was born in Belgium - May 25, 1829 and came to England [not sure when]. On March 1, 1865 he married Jane Helen Clarke [daughter of Thomas - a Timber Merchant]. By June of the same year, Jane was dead.
On October 16, 1865 he married Harriet Boyle.
He and Harriet had 6 children. Harriet died February 9, 1924. She was a widow, but have yet to find the death of Joseph,

One of their children, [Joseph Edward] married Sarah Jane Bugbee in 1905. Sarah was the daughter of Michael Dowden Bugbee and Barbara Ann Edwards. Michael was the son of George Bugbee and Sarah Dowden. Sarah is the sister of Michael Dowden - see my thread on Dowdens.

Who my enquiry relates to is one Emily Jane Wyckaert. She is the sister of Joseph Edward and was born May 13, 1866. I found her on the 1881 censu with the family but not in 1891. On another site I found an unconfirmed death for one Emily Jane, with the right birth date, parents and siblings, being dead as of 1891 in Morris, Manitoba, Canada

Questions:
1] Is this my Emily Jane?
2] When did she arrive in Canada?
3] How did she die and the date exactly?
4] Why was she in Canada?

Really appreciate any help.

[Colin Rowledge]

She was a widow, but have yet to find the death of Joseph,

Who my enquiry relates to is one Emily Jane Wyckaert. She is the sister of Joseph Edward and was born May 13, 1866. I found her on the 1881 censu with the family but not in 1891. On another site I found an unconfirmed death for one Emily Jane, with the right birth date, parents and siblings, being dead as of 1891 in Morris, Manitoba, Canada

Questions:
1] Is this my Emily Jane?
2] When did she arrive in Canada?
3] How did she die and the date exactly?
4] Why was she in Canada?

Really appreciate any help.

Have received a lead on Joseph's death - thanks Chris - March q. 1916. Am in the process of ordering death certificate.

Now to resolve if the Emily Jane is also mine

Colin

[stevenpenny]

Colin,

I couldn't find any direct reference to Emily Jane Wyckaert, but there are records of a Emily Wiechardt arriving in New York and an Emily Wisheart crossing the border at Niagara Falls into Canada.

Unfortunately my access to A******* does not allow me to view these records but perhaps a fellow 'forumite' (if that is the correct word) might be able too.

Steve

[Colin Rowledge]

Colin,

I couldn't find any direct reference to Emily Jane Wyckaert, but there are records of a Emily Wiechardt arriving in New York and an Emily Wisheart crossing the border at Niagara Falls into Canada.

Unfortunately my access to A******* does not allow me to view these records but perhaps a fellow 'forumite' (if that is the correct word) might be able too.

Steve

Hi Steve, I can't view this either so don't know the dates of arrival in New York or her entry into Canada at Niagara Falls.

Have contacted the town of Morris, Manitoba but at the town Cemetery there is no record of a burial in 1891. Have asked them since about the other names you mentioned and they are checking those.

The town has also sent me an email address for the chap that handles the burial information at rural cemeteries. I contacted him with the 3 names and am awaiting a positive response but he has indicated that on Friday or Monday next, he'll devote some time to the records search and get back to me.

Have also discovered the 'possibility' [an unconfirmed one at this stage] that sometime prior to 1891, she 'may have married a Joseph Smith'. This may well have happened in Canada, so would really appreciate knowing when she arrived in both New York and Niagara Falls as this will enable me to look for a marriage.

Thanks
Colin

[stevenpenny]

Colin,

You seem to be well along the trail on this one... Good luck with your researches.

Steve

[mariapbf]

Dear Colin

The record for Emily Wisheart going into Canada has her as DOB 1881, occupation cook, single, place of birth Ireland. Reason for going into Canada "to get married and reside". Date of entry 06/04/1921.

Will check the other one also and post the details.

Best wishes

Maria

[mariapbf]

Dear Colin

The New York passenger list entry is dated 07/09/1867 and has Emily Wiechardt aged 8 going to Philadelphia - can't see from the passenger list who she is with - she surely couldn't have travelled on her own?!

best wishes

Maria

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Maria
Thanks very much for your efforts. Neither is rght as my girl was born in 1866,

Another good lead "flushed down the toilet". Back to the drawing board, eh?

Cheers
Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Maria
Thanks very much for your efforts. Neither is rght as my girl was born in 1866,

Another good lead "flushed down the toilet". Back to the drawing board, eh?

Cheers
Colin

Maybe we are still on the right track. I've just received an email from the board of the Anglican Cemetery in Morris, to advise that there is a burial registered on June 26, 1891 for an Emily Jane Smith, born in England in 1866 and married as of date of death.

Her husband was indicated as Joseph Smith.- but no other info. was noted.

I cannot locate a marriage in England, so presume it occurred in Canada.

I am in contact with the diocese of the Anglican Church for Winnipeg, which may have more info., but in the meantime, if this is my girl, finding her departure from England and arrival in Canada could prove helpful in tracking a possible marriage.

Thanks for any help here.
Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Nothing came of the research in the diocese and I've decided that rather than work on the siblings, I'll concentrate on mum and dad

Dad was Joseph Wyckaert. He was born in Belgium and from the 1911 census he indicated his age as 82 and was a Gardener, his wife of 46 years was Harriet nee Boyle who he married on Oxctober 16, 1865. This marriage took place 4 months after the death of his 1st wife to whom he had been married for 3 months only

A fellow researcher on the same person and like me a distant rellie has indicated that she has found emigrating from Belgium on March 4 1855 and by a circuitous route [Denmark and Buenos Aiires] arriving in England on April 17, 1858. Our research matches from 1861 up to the 1911 census.

We are now having several problems and hopefully the super-sleuths here can assist
Problem #1 - from another member of Ancestry we have seen a public tree that details the following:
Parents were Jan Wckaert a Gardener and Joanna de Man - both born and died in Belgium.
Question - how can we find and prove deaths in Belgium?

Problem #2 - from same tree - has a date of death as Mar. 1916 but is unsourced. Place of death is stated as Barnet, which is consistent with the address in 1911 census
Question - We cannot find a death on the BMD for either 1837-1915 or 1916-2005. Was there a breakdown or mix up with transcriptions and that the early quarter of 1916 was missed?

Problem #3 - Tracing his journey from Belgium starting in 1855 until arrival in England in 18558.
Question - what sources would be available to research passenger lists, or could he have been a merchant seaman and how do ascertain which is correct

Thanks for any help

[Jan1954]

Problem #2 - from same tree - has a date of death as Mar. 1916 but is unsourced. Place of death is stated as Barnet, which is consistent with the address in 1911 census
Question - We cannot find a death on the BMD for either 1837-1915 or 1916-2005. Was there a breakdown or mix up with transcriptions and that the early quarter of 1916 was missed?March quarter 1916, Barnet district, volume 3a, page 414 shows the death registration of Joseph WYCKAERT, aged 86. :yes:

[Colin Rowledge]

March quarter 1916, Barnet district, volume 3a, page 414 shows the death registration of Joseph WYCKAERT, aged 86. :yes:

Hi Jan
Thanks for this but for some reason I can't see the record you found on Ancestry. I used no 1st names for the 1916-2005 and came up with 2 Wyckaert's - his wife Harriet 1924 and their son Joseph Edward in 1956

Both of these were previously sourced and noted.

I'll just have use the reference you provided and spend the 9 1/4 quid to make doubley sure!!

Again thanks

[Jan1954]

Thanks for this but for some reason I can't see the record you found on Ancestry. I found the record on FreeBMD by only putting the first name of Joseph, March quarter 1916 and Barnet district in as search criteria and up he popped!

[Colin Rowledge]

I found the record on FreeBMD by only putting the first name of Joseph, March quarter 1916 and Barnet district in as search criteria and up he popped!

Neither of us thought of approaching it that way