Caroline Elizabeth Bound

[pteverett001]

I am having trouble finding my great Grandmother Caroline Elizabeth Bound. My Grandfather's birth certificate gives her Maiden name as Bound, but she was illiterate so maybe not be spelled correctly. The 1901 and 1911 censuses indicates she was born in Mitcham, Surrey in 1863 and Married Samuel Everett in 1893. and shows them living in Lever Street, Farringdon, London.

I can't find any record of her birth or life before the birth of Charles Samuel in 1900. I also cannot find any record of their marriage.

Any help with this brick wall is greatly appreciated.

[bibliojunkie]

Found this one in the 1891 census:

Back Cottage, North St, Wimbledon

William BOUND, 36 general labourer b Beaulieu, nr Southampton
Caroline BOUND, 25 laundress b Gloucester, Bristol (sic)
William BOUND, 7 scholar b Wimbledon
Caroline BOUND, 5 ditto
John BOUND, 2 b Wimbledon
Henry BOUND, 1 b Wimbledon

Ref: RG12/607/87/57

The birthdate for mother is 2 years out (not unusual) and she states she was born in Bristol but Wimbledon is not far from Mitcham. Perhaps William died or she went off with Samuel at some point. I'll have a look for more Carolines.

Ali

PS Forget the above. I've just found the same family in 1901!

[josie7644]

Hello,

On Freebmd, I've just found Caroline Elizabeth Bond, born in East Grinstead in the September quarter of 1863, vol 2b, page 114.

Sorry I don't know whether Mitcham and East Grinstead are close, geographically!

Josie

[pteverett001]

Unfortunately not, I live in Sussex and East Grinstead has got to be around 30 miles from Mitcham. Appreciate your efforts though.

[Mutley]

There are two baptisms to a Samuel and Caroline Elizabeth Everett at Saint Clement, City Road. The address was 161 Lever Street.
Ellen in 3 Oct 1899 (was that Flora?) and Charles Samuel 2 Aug 1905.

In both cases it clearly states Caroline Elizabeth but I am struggling to find her under anything like Bound. I'll keep digging.....

[Kerrywood]

Someone who might be worth considering?

1891 census (record held by TNA, crown copyright)
RG12; Piece: 234; Folio 95; Page 57
1 Lambs Buildings, St Luke's
William BOWN Head Wid 60 General Labourer Glos Chalford
Caroline BOWN Daur S 32 General Domestic Servant Surrey Mitcham

This is in the same census piece and same enumeration district as Samuel EVERETT living at home with his parents (only 4 folios away)

RG12; Piece: 234; Folio 91; Page 50 (reference to record held by TNA, crown copyright)
1 F Block, Errol Street, St Luke's

It seems she had a middle name Elizabeth.

Births
Sep Qtr 1858
Bown Caroline Elizabeth
Croydon 2a 160

All circumstantial, of course. But there aren't that many people born in Mitcham and living in St Luke's. :)

Given the difficulty, you might want to consider ordering a birth certificate for one of your grandfather's siblings, to see another example of Caroline's former name?

Kerrywood

[Mutley]

Well done Kerrywood, that is the best I have seen. ;)

This could be the birth of Ellen registered in Dec 1899 at Holborn. 1b/693

[Kerrywood]

You have to go all the way back to 1861 in order to find them in Mitcham.

(references to records held by TNA, crown copyright)
1881 - RG11; Piece: 368; Folio: 61; Page: 11 (enumerated as BOWEN, but same address as 1891)
1871 - RG10; Piece: 411; Folio: 30; Page: 29 (Ancestry has BOWNS)
1861 - RG9; Piece: 452; Folio: 48; Page: 24 (Ancestry has BOWNA, but it could be BOWND)

Kerrywood

[pteverett001]

Thanks for the replies, particularly Kerrywood. It gives me something to work on after beating my head against this brick wall! I have ordered both the birth certificates you mentioned as they look promising. Would like to find the marriage too, but maybe thats a step too far.

Thanks again, its very very much appreciated.

[janbooth]

Ellen EVERETT appears on the Register of Deaths in Holborn as follows:

3rd October 1899 161 Lever Street Ellen EVERETT, female, 1 month, father Samuel EVERETT, Bootmaker (Journeyman)

Could the Flora EVERETT shown in the 1901 census perhaps be Caroline's child prior to the marriage or maybe her stepdaughter from a previous marriage of Samuel. Will investigate further.

Janet

[pteverett001]

I have just come across very coincidentally some medals in my fathers few remaining personal effects and there are two WW1 medals for W A Bown, so this seems to William Bown showing on the 1881 census, brother of my Great Grandmother Caroline. At least I have his name now, but his medal record interesting shows his name originally recorded at Brown and later changed.

I have order the birth certificates and will try and find the marriage.

Thanks again.

[Mutley]

There is a marriage for Caroline Elizabeth Broawn in Dec 1885 at St Saviour. (my Mitcham family moved there). On the same page is Robert Mummery and John Thomas Murphy.

There does not seem to be a Flora Mummery but there is a birth for a Flora Murphy in St. George East in June 1889 (moving across the river).
I cannot find Flora Murphy in the 1891 census or Caroline with either man.

If it is your Caroline that married John Murphy maybe he did a bunk, she moved back home and reverted to her maiden name but could not marry Samuel.

I do love fairy stories. ;) But I will shut up and wait until you receive the certificates.

Good Luck :)

[pteverett001]

Yes I guess its possible, its an interesting bit of detective work to be done, hope i can get to the bottom of it.