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Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 1:18 PM
FANNY ANNIE NEWBERRY was born c1871 in Ickleford, Herts (father FREDERICK THOMAS NEWBERRY, mother MARY ABIGAIL BENNISON). Her mother dies and FRED marries twice more.

I think I have her in 1881 and then she disappears.

She possibly married HARRY WILLIAM BAGGOTT or HENRY MOSES LEWIS in 1891.

I cannot find her on the 1891, 1901, & 1911. I have considered that she or her husband might have died.

Her father Frederick is on the 1911 census at RG14PN7190 RG78PN352 RD131 SD3 ED32 SN386. He is only shown by his initials but some of his children fit. But there are others who are a mystery.

His wife is shown as having 11 children of the marriage, and 10 living. There are 7 children on the 1911 census record, in this order:

G (male) aged 21 - probably George (on the 1901)
MAY aged 6
MARY aged 4
JOE aged aged 14 (NOT on 1901) (might be JOSEPH or JOSIAH, both family names)
RUBEN aged 12 (NOT on 1901)
ARTHUR aged 17 (NOT on 1901)
F THOMAS aged 27 (FREDERICK THOMAS & on the 1901)

There are 4 children on the 1901, who do not appear on the 1911, including one who has died, so the maths work out OK.

But I cannot find birth registrations for MAY, MARY, JOE, RUBEN, and ARTHUR as NEWBERRY, the girls being born in New Southgate and the boys in East Finchley.

The 3 boys should be on the 1901 but I can't find them.

So I wondered if some of them were Fanny's children, and had been taken in by their grandfather.

I seem to be going round in circles. Can anyone help with finding birth regs for them, or Fanny on the later censuses please?

SBSFamilyhistory
21-12-2009, 1:41 PM
to check if I have the correct person. Is it possible she was living with her her Father shown as Thomas F Rowbewrry and her Grandfather Josiah Rowberry

they are shown as living in Ickleford, Hertford, England

Sue

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 1:51 PM
Yes, that is them in 1881.

Frederick Thomas has swopped his names on this occasion!

Mutley
21-12-2009, 1:53 PM
Karen please can I just confirm Fanny's birth place?
The only one that pops up is Fanny Annie Newberry registered in June 1871 in Islington, Middlesex.

AdeleE
21-12-2009, 2:05 PM
FANNY ANNIE NEWBERRY was born c1871 in Ickleford, Herts (father FREDERICK THOMAS NEWBERRY, mother MARY ABIGAIL BENNISON).

May help us find her in later census records. The 1881 census records that she was born in London.

Name: Fanny Annie Newberry
Year: 1871
Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
District: Islington
Volume: 1b
Page: 271

Mutley
21-12-2009, 2:18 PM
There is a birth registration for a Reuben Newbury in Barnet Herts/Middlesex in March 1902. If him, it explains why he is not on the 1901.

Could be he married in Barnet in June qrt of 1937 to Emily K Mitchell.
3a/1576

though there is also a 1920 marriage in Camberwell to Ellen G Hendry and a death in Southwark in 1951.

Cannot find a Rueben Newberry

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 2:20 PM
I am ashamed to admit that I might have boobed on this one. I am not sure why I thought Fred was her father.

In 1881, Fanny is with her grandfather and shown as born in Ickleford.

Frederick's first wife died in 1874, and he remarried SOPHIA SIMKINS LARMAN in 1876 (IGI). She dies in 1879, and Fred does not remarry until 1884.

He is in Isington in 1871 with first wife, Mary Abigail. They have a son, who is baptised in Ickleford in 1874. He dies as an infant.

I have not sent for the cert for the 1871 Islington birth. I think I assumed this was the Fanny A on th 1881 census, and that, because Fred was there, that he was her father. Especially as it looks like she was registered in Islington, where Fred was in 1871.

I am hanging my head as I type.

In mitigation, a relative, who has a tree on A*****y, has her with the same parents, a specific date of birth and the address at which Fred and Mary Abigail are at in 1871.

I think I took this as confirming my suspicion that she was Fred's daughter.

So, it looks like she was born in Islington.

AdeleE
21-12-2009, 2:21 PM
The four people in this marriage registration grouping:

Year: 1891
Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
District: Edmonton
Volume: 3a
Page: 466

Harry William Baggett
Mary Maria Bowen
Henry Moses Lewis
Fanny Annie Newberry

According to the 1901 census (RG13; Piece: 1260; Folio: 120; Page: 7 copyright TNA), Henry Moses Lewis is with second wife Mary M.

so that leaves Fanny Annie Newberry marrying Harry William Baggett.

Mutley
21-12-2009, 2:27 PM
There is also a birth registration for May Newbury in Barnet in June 1905

Mutley
21-12-2009, 2:40 PM
There is a baptism for Mary Newberry on 24 March 1905 at St James the Great, Barnet
Parents are Frederick Thomas and Sarah Lydia. (Who was the 3rd wife?)

Fred was a labourer and they lived at Lime Tree Terrace

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 3:43 PM
There is a baptism for Mary Newberry on 24 March 1905 at St James the Great, Barnet
Parents are Frederick Thomas and Sarah Lydia. (Who was the 3rd wife?)

Fred was a labourer and they lived at Lime Tree Terrace

Sara Lydia was his third wife, so Mary was indeed 'theirs', then.

May I ask where you found that record?

Many thanks.

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 3:45 PM
so that leaves Fanny Annie Newberry marrying Harry William Baggett.

I had also come to that conclusion but they are elusive after the marriage.

I shall keep digging.........

SBSFamilyhistory
21-12-2009, 3:55 PM
hello I have more information about Fanny Annie Newberry born in Islington in 1871.

date of birth 5 may 1871
3 Montrose Villas, Caledonia Road,Islington, Middlesex

mother Mary Abigal Benison
father Frederick Thomas Newberry

this confirms that the birth found by Mutley and AdeleE was correct.

Sue

oh by the way I have her pateral grandparents and her grandfathers parents names and more if you want them.

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 4:42 PM
Sara Lydia was his third wife, so Mary was indeed 'theirs', then.

May I ask where you found that record?

Many thanks.


Found it. For some reason A**y have 2 Friern Barnet registers, one with A and one with S P in the margin, and I was looking in the wrong one.

Karen Newman
21-12-2009, 4:44 PM
hello I have more information about Fanny Annie Newberry born in Islington in 1871.

date of birth 5 may 1871
3 Montrose Villas, Caledonia Road,Islington, Middlesex

mother Mary Abigal Benison
father Frederick Thomas Newberry

this confirms that the birth found by Mutley and AdeleE was correct.

Sue

oh by the way I have her pateral grandparents and her grandfathers parents names and more if you want them.

Many thanks. That confirms the family tree entry on A***y. I have her grandparents etc. Fred Newberry was the brother of my GGG-grandmother. I am just mopping up loose ends.

SBSFamilyhistory
21-12-2009, 4:46 PM
no probs.. just glad to be able to help. If there is ever anything you think I could shed light on just ask


Merry Christmas

Sue

Mutley
21-12-2009, 5:53 PM
I've forgotten who is left, Joe and Arthur, or have you found them?

Karen Newman
22-12-2009, 5:52 AM
Apologies for not replying sooner, but we had a series of powercuts during the evening and night! Very dark, though thankfully not too cold, as it had been a mild, though wet, day. Made me realise just how much we rely on modern technology.

I still have not located Fanny and Harry Baggett after their marriage.

Not have I found Reuben, Arthur and Joe in 1891, or their birth regs.

I am aware that these may have been middle names, as the Newberrys tend to swap them around.

Mutley
22-12-2009, 11:21 AM
That's OK ;)

Did you cancel out Rueben Newbury in post #6?
He lines up with May Newbury in post #9.

I know the spelling is different but the sound is very similar.

Cannot find Fanny and Harry in 1901 under any surname, sorry

Karen Newman
22-12-2009, 6:38 PM
That's OK ;)

Did you cancel out Rueben Newbury in post #6?
He lines up with May Newbury in post #9.

I know the spelling is different but the sound is very similar.

Cannot find Fanny and Harry in 1901 under any surname, sorry

Reuben/Rueben/Ruben should really have been born c1899, rather than 1902, if his age on the 1911 census is anything to go by. The Newberrys/Newburys are not a very accurate lot, sometimes. But I rule nothing out.

Thanks for looking for Fanny and Harry. I wonder if they might have gone abroad. I have been adding to my tree for 6 years now, and have not even looked abroad yet, so many in this country. Their names will go in my Query File, I think.

Arthur and Joe too are elusive but no doubt they will pop up somewhere in the future.

I did think I might have found Harry Baggett in Hackney in 1911, aged 41, with an Ann Baggett aged 41, and a son aged 4: J.W. Married 4 years. He is born in Bayswater, London, Ann is born Worcester, and J W in Hackney. Harry's occupation is 'Clerk (Managing) Elec Engineer'.

J.W. may be James William:

Births Dec 1906
Baggett James William Hackney 1b 486

But I think he is this Harry:
Births Dec 1869
Baggett Harry Kensington 1a 57

whereas I think I want this one:

Births Mar 1868
Baggett Harry William Lambeth 1d 373