Identify who the people in Wills are 1791

[esdel]

The beneficiaries in the will of John Rouse dated 1791
(MF452 Free view at NOAH) are:
wife Ann Rouse
Children:
Sarah wife of Robert Robertson
Henry
Richard
Samuel
plus "out of favour children" one Dau and plurality of Sons
each left "one shilling only"

Now I have a Rous/Rouse tree, but NOWHERE
a Samuel, nor Henry and ESPECIALLY not as brothers

So all suggestions are welcome as to how to identify this particular set of children in the "other than Wills" records

Many thanks
esdel

[JAP1]

Where was this Will?

What is 'NOAH' please?

And, once that is answered, how to get to 'MF452 Free view' please?

The IGI has the following marriage:
Robt. ROBSON & Sarah ROUS, 13 Apr 1767, Covehithe Suffolk England

Is this in a relevant area and might it be pertinent?

JAP

[esdel]

Where was this Will?

What is 'NOAH' please?

And, once that is answered, how to get to 'MF452 Free view' please?

The IGI has the following marriage:
Robt. ROBSON & Sarah ROUS, 13 Apr 1767, Covehithe Suffolk England

Is this in a relevant area and might it be pertinent?

JAP

PERFECT
NOAH is a wondrous site accessed by NOAH if you use Google

It covers all of Suffolk despite N for Norfolk!
This is because all Suffolk is Norwich Diocese.
It has ALL kinds of Norfolk/Suffolk info - one of which is wills

Once you get NOAH on screen it at no cost gives you a SUMMARY and in the extreme RH column (after you click on it) a full transcript, copy etc.

In my case I clicked on Rous (to catch both Rous and Rouse) and NOAH gave me the ref number.

Well done and thanks
How about the "plurality of out-of-favour sons"
Any ideas how?
Presumably they would be grown up to be "out of favour" or maybe he simply did not name them as he himself neither knew them nor how many there were!
esdel

[Peter Goodey]

"out of favour children"

Not necessarily a reasonable assumption. They might already have received their handout.

[JAP1]

Perhaps it might have been helpful had you simply provided the actual link - and still might be so rather than asking B-G members to Google for the site.

Googling (as you suggest) for
NOAH
gets a huge number of hits.

Just extracting the acronyms includes, over the first few pages of hits, the following:
National Organisation for Albinism and Hypertrophism
National Office of Animal Health
Nurturing Orphans of AIDS for Humanity
Northwest Organization for Animal Help
National Olive Accredited Harvest program

Perhaps not surprisingly, I did not persevere ...

I have provided an IGI suggestion and will leave it at that.

JAP

[Geoffers]

Perhaps it might have been helpful had you simply provided the actual link - and still might be so rather than asking B-G members to Google for the site.

Norfolk Online Access to Heritage (http://www.noah.norfolk.gov.uk/).

It is one of the great resources for Norfolk research and if you use the B-G forums search engine, you'll find several of my references to it.


So all suggestions are welcome as to how to identify this particular set of children in the "other than Wills" records

Using parish registers is the standard means, you might try freereg which has quite good coverage for East Anglia.

Also, any documents catalogued on the Suffolk Record Office web-site?

[esdel]

Perhaps it might have been helpful had you simply provided the actual link - and still might be so rather than asking B-G members to Google for the site.

The reason I did not give the reference was to save B-G members wasting time looking it up, because I had summarised all the info they would find by doing so

The reason I gave access to the reference is some B-g folk have brains that work brilliantly AFTER they have a reference, and Just in case I had omitted a word such as "Suffolk"

But thank you SO MUCH for youe find, Jap

esdel

[BeeE586]

Not necessarily a reasonable assumption. They might already have received their handout.

I agree with Peter here. We are fortunate to have an excellent transcription of the Manor Court Rolls for one of the parishes for which I helped to transcribe and analyze the Probate Documents from 1530 to 1750. Often you would find a Marriage Settlement for a daughter or a transfer of land for a son who would then receive the customary shilling in the parent's will. Also if a man left a widow and she then left a will you would sometimes find these children mentioned there. As with any other aspect of Family History, assumptions not based on sound fact, or at least after considering and discarding every other possible solution, are dangerous.

Eileen

[jeeb]

The beneficiaries in the will of John Rouse dated 1791
(MF452 Free view at NOAH) are:
wife Ann Rouse
Children:
Sarah wife of Robert Robertson
Henry
Richard
Samuel
plus "out of favour children" one Dau and plurality of Sons
each left "one shilling only"

Now I have a Rous/Rouse tree, but NOWHERE
a Samuel, nor Henry and ESPECIALLY not as brothers

So all suggestions are welcome as to how to identify this particular set of children in the "other than Wills" records

Many thanks
esdel

Hi esdel,
I have not read this Will so I'm not sure how it is worded therefore I am only putting forward a possibility. You say that you have no Samuel or Henry Rouse brothers on your tree. Does the will state that they are named Samuel Rouse & Henry Rouse or could they be children of Sarah & Robert Robertson, ie grandchildren?

Jeremy

[esdel]

Hi esdel,
I have not read this Will so I'm not sure how it is worded therefore I am only putting forward a possibility. You say that you have no Samuel or Henry Rouse brothers on your tree. Does the will state that they are named Samuel Rouse & Henry Rouse or could they be children of Sarah & Robert Robertson, ie grandchildren?

Jeremy


Jeremy
The exact wording is
My daughter Sarah wife of Richrd Richardson
My son Samuel
My son Thomas
My son Henry
and to my daughter and sons not mentioned in this will one shilling only
esdel

[JAP1]

The beneficiaries in the will of John Rouse dated 1791
(MF452 Free view at NOAH) are:
wife Ann Rouse
Children:
Sarah wife of Robert Robertson
Henry
Richard
Samuel
plus "out of favour children" one Dau and plurality of Sons
each left "one shilling only" ...


Jeremy
The exact wording is
My daughter Sarah wife of Richrd Richardson
My son Samuel
My son Thomas
My son Henry
and to my daughter and sons not mentioned in this will one shilling only
esdel

1. Emphases have been added to the quotes above.
Clarification of the names is needed.

2. Also, it seems that the first of the two phrases in quotation marks in the first Quote above was not used in the Will. Similarly the phrases in quotation marks in post #3, namely "plurality of out-of-favour sons" and "out of favour".
This lends weight to the posts by Peter Goodey (post #3) and BeeE586 (post #7) including the latter's wise caution.

[esdel]

1. Emphases have been added to the quotes above.
Clarification of the names is needed.

2. Also, it seems that the first of the two phrases in quotation marks in the first Quote above was not used in the Will. Similarly the phrases in quotation marks in post #3, namely "plurality of out-of-favour sons" and "out of favour".
This lends weight to the posts by Peter Goodey (post #3) and BeeE586 (post #7) including the latter's wise caution.

This illustrates what happens when in a desperate attempt to answer a kind persons question I cut-and-paste info

The wills are in holographic script and but one is available via NOAH. There are several wills by DIFFERING people (I assume) as the dates differ.

What one makes of handwriting is in the brain of the reader
The name is variously reported as Robson. Roberson and Robertson
Robinson crept in as an error because my brain was deflected by an analogous B-G discussion wherein the "effect of the East Anglian accents on the names Robinson and Robertson and Richardson" were discussed.(in general the result is a contraction: loss of syllables)

The "unfavoured" daughter and plurality of sons arise in the codicil to the will and the exact words mean "not mentioned here" (means in this will) and left "L 1 shoon"

The three-child combination that is the key to this puzzle is
Dau Sarah
Son Henry
Son Richard
Son Samuel
and in my entire tree of Rous/Rouse I have not a single instance of Henry, nor Richard, nor Samuel let alone as brothers.
No doubt the erroneous entry "My son Thomas" is brain fever brought about by reading 25 other cases of "My son Thomas whose father is always John or Thomas and whose mother is Mary without fail!


Everything said by me is an interpretation of by best recall of what I read. (as is this message, as I check it!)

Thank you for your great SUCCESS in helping me, despite my
obstreperous unhelpfulness :D :D :D
esdel

[neko]

I am once again deeply disappointed with online Suffolk records. I just checked NOAH for some wills, of which none were located, (it doesn't seem to have any that are older than abt 1825) then checked a Norfolk source book just to see what it was about and found it to be a low quality, illegable scan.
is there nothing comparable to Essex's SEAX for Suffolk? if not, why not? I can't think of a justifyable reason.

[Geoffers]

Neko has put another thread (click here (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54814)) on the moans and groans forum which covers much the same topic, if you feel like adding a reply, please do so there and not on this thread.