Asylum Burials

[gizzywoo]

Hi

My grandmother died in the London County Asylum 'Claybury' in 1909 does anyone know where she might have been buried

Her husband would still have been an inmate at a workhouse in Rotherhithe so am wondering would she have been buried near or in the grounds of the asylum

Have bought the cd of crow lane cemetary and she is not listed there
and have searched the web to no avail

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Gizzywoo

[AnnB]

Claybury Hospital (as it was known locally) closed down in 1997. If you visit
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/4_13_TA.HTM#Claybury you will find some history about the hospital. I don't think there was any form of cemetry 'on site', and I would have thought that anyone dying there would have been buried in the City of London Cemetery, as any of the cemeteries which are now in the vicinity of Claybury are fairly 'modern'. If you go to the East of London Family Historian's site, there are links to all the cemeteries to the East of London, so it might be worthwhile contacting one or two of them to see if they can help. Other than the City of London, the ones which now come under Newham, Tower Hamlets or Waltham Forest are the most likely. Hope that helps a bit.
Best wishes
Ann

[gizzywoo]

Thank you Anne - am new to this site but am now finding it so helpful with lots of answers - sent for the burial register of crow lane cemetary because I thought that was near not luck

Can remember family members long gone talking of Bow cemetary and on this site have found the City of London and tower hamlets which was known as Bow all records are with the LMA so will continue trying

gizzywoo

[plantheaven]

Hi,
My grandmother also died in Claybury. There was no on site cemetery and was told to search either the cemeteries closest to the Hospital or the cemetery run by the parish that was responsible for payment.
Also, you may need to check if the body was collected. It is written in the death register of the hospital. Her family may have claimed the body and taken it home for burial.
Hope this helps. I am still looking.
Jacqui

[plantheaven]

Hi again,
Looked up the local cemeteries and you would need to contact Barkingside cemetery. 020-8478-9479. They hold all the registers for Redbridge. The EOLFHS state that there is no charge for look ups at present and you cannot search for yourself. Give them a ring and ask if there is a charge and which cemetery is most likely.
Jacqui

[gizzywoo]

hi

Thank you for the information on Claybury - but yet another question - where might I find the death register for claybury thanks again
gizzywoo

[gizzywoo]

hi

Thanks once again for your info on Redbridge - will be getting in touch with them on Monday - searched so many but need to find her

I am assuming that the hospital records and registers are with the LMA and hope to find some info there

Brenda

[AnnB]

Sorry to be a damp squib, but I don't think you'll get any joy out of Barkingside cemetery as it didn't have its first interment until 1923. The oldest cemetery under Redbridge's umbrella is Buckingham Road Cemetery (Great Ilford Cemetery) which opened its doors, so to speak, in 1881. It is, of course possible that they had interments from Claybury, but I somehow doubt it. Of couse, Barkingside Cemetery may well be able to give you an idea as to where the most likely place for Claybury interments might be. Another place which might be worth a try for information on Claybury is Redbridge Local Studies in Redbridge Library. There is a web page at http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/learning/localstudies.cfm
Best wishes
Ann

[Colin Moretti]

Hello Brenda

To find out what hospital records exist and where they're located go to
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/
The database information includes:
The administrative details of the hospitals, and their status or type
The location and covering dates of administrative and clinical records
The existence of lists, catalogues or other finding aids

Good luck

Colin

[plantheaven]

Barkingside hold the registers for ALL the cemeteries in Redbridge so you will need to contact them for a look up.
LMA holds Claybury records up to and including 1902. After that you have to go to Redbridge archives but the archivist is a stickler for the 100 year closure rule so you will not be allowed access to anything after 1905.
Jacqui

[gizzywoo]

Thanks for information my sister is busy searching cemetery sites and it seems we will have to wait to access any official documents until 2009 which seem silly when all parties have been deceased for many years but we'll still try to find a way around it

Brenda

[gizzywoo]

Thanks once again for information e-mailed redbridge they came back with a whole list of undertakers who may have been used by Claybury from 1905. The archivist said their information was incomplete did'nt really tell me much more than I already knew but it looks like a good site

Brenda

[gizzywoo]

hi

have searched national archive for hospitals - claybury closed for 100 years so would have to wait

still find the nations archive facinating and helpful

Brenda

[gizzywoo]

Sorry to be a damp squib, but I don't think you'll get any joy out of Barkingside cemetery as it didn't have its first interment until 1923. The oldest cemetery under Redbridge's umbrella is Buckingham Road Cemetery (Great Ilford Cemetery) which opened its doors, so to speak, in 1881. It is, of course possible that they had interments from Claybury, but I somehow doubt it. Of couse, Barkingside Cemetery may well be able to give you an idea as to where the most likely place for Claybury interments might be. Another place which might be worth a try for information on Claybury is Redbridge Local Studies in Redbridge Library. There is a web page at http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/learning/localstudies.cfm
Best wishes
Ann

Got in touch with the site in redbridge - they didn't give me too much info but suggested undertakers that may have been used in the early 1900's
Rang one in Walthamstow and he suggested that many Claybury patients would have been buried in Chingford Mount Cemetery
We had details of her death so a quick search and she was found.

We visited her grave today the first and only family who had after 96 years
We then went on to see the Claybury site.

Margaret was just 32 years when she died and as a family we now have to wait more years to access her record, but it is wonderful for us that we have found her
Thank you for your help

Brenda

[AnnB]

I'm so glad you managed to locate the grave. Strange, but I was going to suggest Chingford Mount as a possibility, but it seemed more unlikely than some of the others. My husbands's baby sister was buried there many years ago and we had no idea whereabouts in the cemetery the grave was. When we contacted the cemetery, they were very helpful and we were able to visit the grave about 12 years ago, before we moved to Devon.
Best wishes
Ann