Spouse in 'clink'

[Colin Rowledge]

I have found that as of the 1901 cesnus, the father of the lady my Great-Uncle married, was incarcerated in Bodmin prison in Cornwall.

His name was - Karl Hugo Ahlstedt. He was aged 26.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks
Colin

[MarkJ]

Nothing in Crocat - the Cornwall Records Office online catalogue under Ahlstedt (or Alstedt) I am afraid Colin.

Mark

[Colin Rowledge]

Nothing in Crocat - the Cornwall Records Office online catalogue under Ahlstedt (or Alstedt) I am afraid Colin.

Mark
Like you, Mark, I've found nothing either. What other resources are there? Could he have been convicted of something in Devon or Wales and being married and with family in Cornwall been sent to Bodmin?

With him being the father of the girl my Gr.-Uncle married, I'd like to know how much of a scoundrel, if any, he was

Cheers
Colin

[Geoffers]

I've found nothing either. What other resources are there?

Looking for details of a conviction can be problematic without knowing date and place of conviction. Have a look at TNA's signposts (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/gettingstarted/looking-for-person/default.htm?WT.lp=gs-looking) scroll down and look to the right of the page under 'Criminals, Bankrupts and Litigants' - there are a couple of links to click on 'Criminal trials and convictions' and 'Prisoners'.

Some newspapers can be searched online and may record a trial if it was newsworthy.

[Colin Rowledge]

Looking for details of a conviction can be problematic without knowing date and place of conviction. Have a look at TNA's signposts (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/gettingstarted/looking-for-person/default.htm?WT.lp=gs-looking) scroll down and look to the right of the page under 'Criminals, Bankrupts and Litigants' - there are a couple of links to click on 'Criminal trials and convictions' and 'Prisoners'.

Some newspapers can be searched online and may record a trial if it was newsworthy.

With my limited knowledge of TNA I followed the link as per above, but it appears that reords are not available on trials after 1899. I realize that he was 'inside' in 1901 and cannot locate on the 1911 census

Could a 'local' newspaper have written something? The Cornish Studies Library may be able to help, but would still need a reasonable date to assist them in searching for articles and this I don't have

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Colin

[Geoffers]

Could a 'local' newspaper have written something? The Cornish Studies Library may be able to help, but would still need a reasonable date to assist them in searching for articles and this I don't have

A newspaper local to where the crime was committed may have carried a report on the case, indeed they are often the best source - BUT - someone being in prison in Bodmin does not necessarily give an indication as to where the offence was committed - or when.

[ET in the USA]

...I realize that he was 'inside' in 1901 and cannot locate on the 1911 census


Colin -did you find the rest of his family in 1911 ? Being a Seaman in 1901 [his listed occupation even though in prison] might mean that he was at sea somewhere in 1911.
Elaine

[ET in the USA]

You probably already know all this.
In 1901 Annie Ahlstedt -sister - Married- age 28 b. 1873 St. Kevern, Cornwall was a Charwoman living with her 23 year old single brother William Lugg [head]. Niece Bessie Ahlstedt age 4 born Gwithian Cornwall was there also. [ref: RG13/2246 Folio 56 Page 11]

In 1911 William Mitchell Lugg age 33 is married [for 6 years] and has a child & is still living in Redruth, Cornwall, but no sign of Annie or Bessie/Elizabeth. [ RG14PN1400 RG78PN834 RD299 SD4 ED1 SN305]

[Colin Rowledge]

You probably already know all this.
In 1901 Annie Ahlstedt -sister - Married- age 28 b. 1873 St. Kevern, Cornwall was a Charwoman living with her 23 year old single brother William Lugg [head]. Niece Bessie Ahlstedt age 4 born Gwithian Cornwall was there also. [ref: RG13/2246 Folio 56 Page 11]

In 1911 William Mitchell Lugg age 33 is married [for 6 years] and has a child & is still living in Redruth, Cornwall, but no sign of Annie or Bessie/Elizabeth. [ RG14PN1400 RG78PN834 RD299 SD4 ED1 SN305]

Hi [and welcome back]

Yes, I had this and was curious as to where they disappeared to. Currently am awaiting marriage cert's for Bessie/Ellzabeth who married Frederick Golley

Cheers

[SueL]

Karl was married in Redruth in 1896 (see FreeBMD) so whatever/wherever his crime, it was after 1896 :)

Hope this helps?
regards,
SueL

[Colin Rowledge]

Karl was married in Redruth in 1896 (see FreeBMD) so whatever/wherever his crime, it was after 1896 :)

Hope this helps?
regards,
SueL

Thanks, Sue. Tomorrow, Good Lord willing, his marriage certificate will arrive.

All I can think of, is that it was something 'serious' as, both he, his father [Karl Oskar] and their families were not around in 1911. Did they go back to Norway, which is where his father [Karl Oskar] was born?

[ET in the USA]

Colin,
Are you sure they are from Norway ? On AN** .uk there are a number of, Death I think, entries for Karl Hugo & Karl Oskar Ahlstedt from Sweden & in Swedish too it looks like. Perhaps someone can look them up for you if Sweden is a possibility. I am going to the library tomorrow, but not sure if Swedish info. is on the US library edition. Do you still need Harold Ball arrival info ? I think the library has sorted out their advanced reader problems.

Elaine

[Colin Rowledge]

Colin,
Are you sure they are from Norway ? On AN** .uk there are a number of, Death I think, entries for Karl Hugo & Karl Oskar Ahlstedt from Sweden & in Swedish too it looks like. Perhaps someone can look them up for you if Sweden is a possibility. I am going to the library tomorrow, but not sure if Swedish info. is on the US library edition. Do you still need Harold Ball arrival info ? I think the library has sorted out their advanced reader problems.

Elaine

Hi Elaine
Thanks for the tip on AN. I have membership for World-wide and will do lookups.

You may well be right about Sweden - I suspected that it was one of the Scandinavian countries. I believe Karl Oskar [the father of Karl Hugo] was from there and married in England in 1873. Karl Hugo [his son] was born in Phillack, Cornwall in 1874 and by 1881 his mother was a widow. Possibly Karl Oskar died in England but is buried in Sweden.
Am awiting their marriage certificates.

Re: Harold A. Ball - I have unearthed some info [but not much] so anything you can provide [even if duplicated] would be most welcome.

Cheers
Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Will post additional Ahlstedt info on that thread

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks, Sue. Tomorrow, Good Lord willing, his marriage certificate will arrive.

All I can think of, is that it was something 'serious' as, both he, his father [Karl Oskar] and their families were not around in 1911. Did they go back to Norway, which is where his father [Karl Oskar] was born?


Not sure that the family did go back to Norway [or possibly Sweden as noted by E.T. in USA]

It has been brought to my attention, that, what Karl Hugo did was enter into a bigamous marriage in December 1898 in Pontypridd, Wales. He was sentenced to 12 months Hard Labour at Bodmin Assizes in June 1900.

I feel sorry for the 'poor' girl he 'married' as she was probably a mum by that time.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Not sure that the family did go back to Norway [or possibly Sweden as noted by E.T. in USA]

It has been brought to my attention, that, what Karl Hugo did was enter into a bigamous marriage in December 1898 in Pontypridd, Wales. He was sentenced to 12 months Hard Labour at Bodmin Assizes in June 1900.

I feel sorry for the 'poor' girl he 'married' as she was probably a mum by that time.

Colin

Having been advised that Karl Hugo did as stated in the quote, he was convicted and sentenced at the Bodmin Assizes in June 1900. I was given this information almost 2 years ago, but with my flood loss in June, the Ahlstedt file was destroyed.

I am slowly rebuilding this file, but cannot remember where the details of this conviction and sentence came from. Can anyone assist me?

Thanks

[Kerrywood]

There's a short piece about the hearing in the Royal Cornwall Gazette of 21 June 1900.

If you PM me an email address I'll send it to you. :smile5:

[Colin Rowledge]

There's a short piece about the hearing in the Royal Cornwall Gazette of 21 June 1900.

If you PM me an email address I'll send it to you. :smile5:

Thanks Kerrywood, will do.

[Colin Rowledge]

There's a short piece about the hearing in the Royal Cornwall Gazette of 21 June 1900.



The article was most informative. Certainly in his defence he was "grasping at straws".

What I did find interesting as well, was after his release in 1901 [June] he and Anne [his mistreated spouse] accepted him back. He became a Tin Miner and was living in Redruth. A son was born in 1902 [2nd q.] and was named William Henry. A daughter followed - Annie Jane - born 2nd q. 1903 but she died 3rd q. 1904.

Anne died in the 1st q, 1912 aged just 39

[Colin Rowledge]

And now the epilogue.

After the death of Anne, he married again [legally this time]. Her name was Eliza J. Harris. They married 2nd q. 1913. He was aged 40 and Eliza was 42. I have not found any children. He died 3rd. q. 1936 in Redruth and Eliza died 1st q. 1949. He was aged 62 at death and she was 78.