A death certificate to understand please?

[Shannon]

It's me again. Now I have a death certificate that I do not understand.
It is for a death in 1912 in Dover in the County of Kent. Charlotte Annie Calladine, 29 years dies and under occupation it says: Widow of Harold Edward Calladine, drapes (drapers, grapes) assistant.
Charlotte's maiden name was Calladine, so why would she be the widow of a Calladine unkown to my family tree? Did she marry another calladine that i don't know of? They usually aren't in Kent. (more Derbyshire)

Thank you if anyone can help please.

Shannon

[MythicalMarian]

Hi Shannon,

Yes - she either married another Calladine (possibly a cousin, if she was a Calladine at birth, as you think) - or - perhaps more likely, you have the wrong Charlotte Calladine's death certificate.

[Nicolina]

if she did marry it must have been after the 1901 Census

there are 4 Charlottes listed but the only one whose date of birth fits was unmarrried

RG13/3141/60 Page 59
88, West Hill Drive, Mansfield
WRIGHT, Joseph Head Married M 50 1851 Grocer b. Witchford, Cambridgeshire
WRIGHT, Louisa Wife Married F 45 1856 b. Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
WRIGHT, Charles B Son Single M 9 1892 b. Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
CALLADINE, Charlotte Servant Single F 18 1883 General Domestic b. Pilsley, Derbyshire

[Nicolina]

I've just checked FreeBMD for any records for Harold Edward Calladine and there are none. There are some records for Harold Calladine but none that could fit

[Marie C..]

There are two Charlotte Calladines . One born 1883 and died in Dover Dec.1912 (this I guess is the one for whom you have the death cert.)and another born Dover Sept 1883.
I cannot find and Calladines in Dover in 1901 census.
Calladine marrying a Calladine may just mean cousins or distant cousins marrying.
I can find no Harold Edward Calladine.
There is a marriage for a Charlotte Calladine marrying a William Greaves in 1902 in Nottingham?
Marie

[Marie C..]

I should have said "there are two Charlotte Calladines on A.... connected with Dover" . They may be one and the same. The one for whom you have the death cert.
There are several Charlotte Calladines born Derbyshire with a birth date around 1882.Are any of these yours. ?
Who was your Charlotte's father?
Was he a coal miner?
Marie

[Pam Downes]

Hi Shannon,
More questions. :)
Where died?
Not sure if 'usual address of deceased' is on certificates for that year?
And most important of all - name, address, etc of informant?
Pam

[Shannon]

Hello listers and thank you to all. I neglected to tell you that I have Charlotte's birth certicate and I apologize for this. In future I will give more information. (boy do I overdo it now!)

I have CHARLOTTE ANNIE CALLADINE born 16/06/1883 in Dover, Kent to John Calladine and Ann C.D., late Williams formerly Williams. (I have traced both parents back to their marriage in India) = by luck.
Charlotte's father was a general labourer. Their address then was 17 Deburgh Street Charlton.
On the Charlotte Annie Calladine death certificate dated 5/11/1912, Dover Kent., her age of 29 is correct. It states that her grandmother, Charlotte Hemmings was present at the death at 41 Council House Street, Dover.
Her maternal grandmothers 1st name was Charlotte who had originally married a John Wilson in Colombo in 1848.(Charlotte's father John Calladine died in Canada in 1907) Her mother, Annie as they called her, went back to England and in the 1901 census Annie is living as a servant with the Nicholl's familyat 17 Arboretum st. Derbyshire = RG13/3219/29/4

I found Charlotte'sdeath on fee BMD. Thank goodness for it if you do get the correct person.

Once again, thank you to all. I suppose she did marry a Calladine and I'll have to seek this out.
Good luck to all.

Shannon

[Lincoln Lad]

The only Charlotte Calladine I can find on the 1911 is in Nottingham b 1884.

[Pam Downes]

Hi Shannon,
Thanks for all the extra information.
There is one little bit that still puzzles me.
My immediate reaction was 'oh, granny got her knickers in a twist' and so the registrar has put her occupation in the box for Charlotte. (Based on the theory that it would make sense for a granny to be a widow.)
But - you say Charlotte's (junior) parents are John Calladine and Ann Williams. So Charlotte Hemmings must be the mother of either John or Ann. Have you proved that link? Or proved that Charlotte senior re-married to have the name of Hemmings in 1912?
(Sorry, just re-read your info and it says 'Charlotte was Charlotte's maternal grandmother', and there's mentions of Williams and Wilsons, but nothing about Hemmings. :confused: I'm a |dunce2| at times!)

If father John died in Canada in 1907 were he and Charlotte in Canada in 1900 for the census there? If so, she might still have been there in 1901, which is why we can't find her in our 1901 census.
Pam

[Pam Downes]

There's a W Calladine (male) and a Mrs Calladine travelling from New York to Liverpool in 1904 on board the 'Majestic'. They arrived on 27 July 1904.
Details from BT26, and found on A..y under UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960.
Hardly informative, and very much a long shot, but still a possibility.
Pam

[Shannon]

Hi Pam

Yes you're absolutely right, a Charlotte was the mother of Ann, but her married name had been Wilson. So you're correct, yes granny must have remarried a Mr. Hemmings. Good thinking. I like the theory that she may have put her occupation in the box.
The Williams surname came in when Ann Wilson married a Williams in Colombo, but he died. Ann then married John Calladine and had Charlotte in Dover and 2 older boys.
The whole family went to Canada except Charlotte who was a baby at that time, but Ann went back to England probably ater getting too cold in Canada. She was absent for the Canadian 1901 census.
Charlotte has to be a servant in the 1901 census somewhere.
ThanK you Pam. You have me thinking again.
Shannon

[Shannon]

Pam - bingo - this has to be them. You are brilliant. BECAUSE:
In 1901 when John Calladine was on the Canadian census, Ann Calladine (the Mrs.) was gone and I couldn't find their eldest son either, William John. It has to be them.
Their other son, Charles stayed in Canada & fought in WW1 and was kia in Paris. I have searched for William for years.
Are you kidding, this is so very very informative to me. You didn't even know his name, so this is them.
However, now where did the two little wanderers hide? There were other Calladines in the area of John, but about a 2 hour car ride away today. She may have stayed at friends for the 1901. However, what about the Annie I found on the 1901 England census. Hmm. How did they get to N.Y.? Wow, Sherlock Holmes again.

I thank you so much.

Shannon