C S N S W abbreviation meaning please

[garstonite]

would anyone know what C S N S W means on an occupation on a marriage certificate ?.....the reason I have posted this on the RAILWAY link is because in 1881 census it states "signalman"....anyone any clues please ?....cheers...allan;)

[sueannbowen]

where was he living?

:)

[Geoffers]

In addition to Sue's question - is the occupation written as capitals C.S.N.S.W - or is it written with as a single word with only the first letter as a capital Csnsw; if the latter could you have misinterpreted any of the letters?

You mention him being a signalman in 1881, have you been able to locate him working in 1871? - or was he too young to work then?

There's a list of Railway companies and occupations in this TNA research guide: Railways: Staff Records (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=124)see paragraphs 6 and 7.

[Mutley]

Railway Ancestors Family History (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=listlinkeditems&cat=D225&breadcrumb=Societies+%26+Groups:Railway+Ancestors+ FHS) site may be worth looking at. There is a huge list of all the British Railway Companies.

[garstonite]

No luck as yet, but thankyou for the 2 links...very interesting....the marriage was in 1894.....Henry James Gazeley is the brides father..occ C.S.N.S.W.
in 1881 he is a signalman
IN 1891 THERE IS NO SIGN OF HIM OR HIS WIFE SARAH ON THE CENSUS...He died in Australia in Ashfield in New South Wales(NSW ?) IN 1929 AGED 76.....so b abt 1853....so did Henry and Sarah go to Australia....Sarah came back....Sarah is on the 1901 census with her daughter and son in law (Constance Banyard).....so is the NSW New South Wales.....?.....I`ll get there in the end.....thank you all....allan;).

[Mutley]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_transport_in_New_South_Wales) has N S W rail information.
It sounds possible that he was in NSW. After all the question was,
What was his occupation? rather than where was he? ;)

[Nicolina]

I Googled it and got:
Children's Services New South Wales
Cane Sugar Natural Sweeteners :confused:

[Nicolina]

a check on FMP passenger lists only gives:
Miss Mary GAZELEY, aged 26 sailing on the "DEMOSTHENES", leaving London 28 January 1925 for Albany (King George Sound), Australia. She was accompanied by Henry T GAZELEY, aged 3

these are the only GAZELEY entries. I'll check for similar names

[Nicolina]

by removing the first name I now get a list of 17 including the 2 earlier ones

[Nicolina]

must have clicked the Submit button by accident. Only one without a first name, Mrs Gazeley bound for Sydney in 1904 - no other information

[Hugh Thompson]

HI Garstonite, the only thing that I can find is for Corrective Services NSW, (C S NSW):confused:, they initial it that way.
Hugh.:)

[garstonite]

Thank you all....Mutley..sorry for misleading you but I was only quoting the letters given for Henrys occupation....Nicolina....He was Henry James Gazeley....could that be Henry J and not Henry T on the passenger list....??.....
anyway ...thank you all ....Civil Servant New South Wales seems very feasible to me...once again...cheers....very impressed with your "heads together research"....allan......;)
sorry Hugh ..just seen your last thread....would that be like a prison officer ???.....allan

[garstonite]

sorry Nicolina...didn`t read your post properly...aged 3....aren`t I a silly custard...lol....allan|oopsredfa

[esdel]

Children's Service N S W

[Mutley]

Thank you all....Mutley..sorry for misleading you but I was only quoting the letters given for Henrys occupation...allan

You were not misleading me, I should have made myself clearer ;)

As the initials you found were on a marriage certificate, I presumed they were in the box headed 'Rank and Profession of Father'. It does not ask where in the world the father may be. :)

[Nicolina]

it's OK cousin, I do the same thing

[JAP1]

Hi garstonite,

I'm getting very confused ...
Not just the forename(s) of the chap in the censuses/marriage entry - James or Henry or James Henry (I don't see a Henry James) - but also the folk in NSW, Australia.

Is your GAZELEY chap in the censuses the James Henry GAZELY born Woburn Bedfordshire, March quarter 1853?
1861 - James H, 8, b Woburn, with his grandmother Ann EDES in Woburn
1871 - Henry, 20, b Woburn, a lodger, a cannister maker, in Aylesbury
1881 - James, 28, b Woburn, a signalman, in Hammersmith
And is your chap the marriage James Henry GAZELEY with Sarah Reeves PUTNAM on the same page, 1873, Aylesbury?

Then in NSW I'm wondering whether some of the people in Summer Hill (adjacent to Ashfield) include different GAZELEY people with similar forenames ... Boot making seems to be mentioned ...

I've looked at GAZELEY/GAZELY (all occurrences as it's a rare name) in various places:
* Australian Electoral Rolls on Ancestry

* BDMs in the online NSW historical BDMs at
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au

* the Australian National Archives at
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
where digitised WW1 records of several Henry/Harry GAZELEYs are to be found with occupation and next of kin stated
(search as a Guest)

* general Googling which found a Rootsweb mailing list for AUS-NSW-SE in Jan 2000
URL to Rootsweb mailing list removed - it is run by and contains adverts for Ancestry - Geoffers, Moderator
where there is mention of a marriage of another Sarah to ?another? Jas Henry GAZELEY in 1882 ...

:confused:

Regards,

JAP
PS: Is it a NSW marriage cert you are referring to? Date? Parties?

[garstonite]

Thanks Jap1 ..it`s only on the marriage cert he is down as Henry James Gazeley..every other time it`s James Henry,,unless I am way off track..there is a marriage of Henry Gazeley to Sarah Ibels in Sydney in 1889..I THINK THIS MAY BE IS 2ND MARRIAGE.maybe I am way off and there is a Henry Gazeley...a James Henry Gazeley and a Henry James Gazeley..
JAMES HENRY B 1853 IS CORRECT...AS YOU SEE IN 1881 HE IS A SIGNALMAN..alllan

[JAP1]

Hi again garstonite,

If you are thinking that the person might have worked for the NSW Railways, I suggest that you explore the following site:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/resources-for/family-historians/railway-employee-records-1

Re my earlier post ...

1. I thought that answers to the questions I raised might help clarify matters ...
I guess I still think that. :)
Especially whose marriage cert you are referring to and where and when the marriage took place ...

2. Are you implying that your chap was a bigamist? You say that he married in 1889 in Australia - but you've also said that his 'first' wife was alive in England in the 1901 census with their married daughter (in both 1881 and 1901, the wife is recorded as Sarah GAZELEY, married, born ca 1852 Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire) ... Or do you have a divorce record?

3. From the online NSW BDMs
IBELS
Sarah GRIFFIN married Carl IBELS, Shoalhaven NSW Australia, 1878
They had:
- Edward Godfrey 1879
- Oswald HBJ 1882
IBELS Carl H died, Shoalhaven NSW Australia, 1882

GAZELEY
Sarah IBELS married Henry GAZELEY, Sydney NSW Australia, 1889
- Harry G GAZELY (sic) was born Ashfield, NSW Australia, 1892, parents James H & Sarah
James H GAZELEY, 76 years (Summer Hill), died Ashfield, NSW Australia, 1929
Sarah GAZELEY, parents William & Ann, died Ashfield, NSW Australia, 1930

4. Australian Electoral Rolls
1930
GAZELEY, Harry Granville, 108 Smith St, Summer Hill, Boot Repairer
GAZELEY, Sarah, 56 Morris St, Summer Hill, Home Duties
1836
GAZELEY, Henry Granville, 39 Hermitage Rd, West Ryde, Boot Repairer

5. National Archives of Australia
GAZELEY Harry Granville, born 13 Oct 1892 in Sydney, father Jas Hy GAZELEY 56 Smith St, Summerhill, served in RAN 16 Jan 1913 to 6 Apr 1913 (deserted)
GAZELEY Harry, Boot Maker, Ashfield, enlisted 9 Jun 1915, age 22 yrs 9 mths, next of kin Mrs GAZELEY, 8 Carrington St, Summer Hill
GAZELEY Henry, Boot Repairer, Single, born 13 Oct 1896 (sic) at Summer Hill, enlisted 6 Nov 1940, discharged med unfit 25 Dec 1940, next of kin Oswald IBELS, 'Cooee', The Avenue Strathfield NSW, Step Brother

Regards,

JAP

[garstonite]

Thanks Jap.....I need to study this in depth ....a couple of things don`t match up...James Henry-Henry James being one....back later....allan;)

[Hugh Thompson]

Hi Garstonite, yes Corrective services is to do with prisons and the like.
Hugh.:)

[JAP1]

A few more things.

1. If anyone wants to check out those puzzling initials, the image of the marriage entry (with the puzzling initials) can be viewed on Ancestry - London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (the image of the banns can also be viewed).
Marriage of Constance Louise GAZELEY and Robert Arthur BANYARD, 12 June 1894, St Thomas's church, Hackney.

2. One of the witnesses was Sarah GAZELEY - probably Constance's mother Sarah. If so, this means that Sarah was in England in 1894 as well as in 1901.

3. Another witness was May PUTMAN, probably Sarah's much younger sister. Incidentally, the family seemed to vary between PUTMAN and PUTNAM. And in any case Sarah seems to have been born Sarah REEVE(S) ...

4. The image of Constance's baptism can be seen on Ancestry - London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906. It was on April 9 1882 (Constance would have been about 6) at All Souls Harlesden, Middlesex. James Henry GAZELEY was recorded as a Signalman and the address as 25 Railway Cottages.

5. garstonite, I wouldn't worry about the variation in names (James, Henry, James Henry, Henry James). The only reason I mentioned the variation in the first place was because we didn't seem to be having much luck with the puzzling initials so I thought we might need to search for the chap himself - and you hadn't mentioned that he was sometimes known as James ...

6. I went through the Sydney and NSW, Australia Sands Directories on Ancestry for GAZELY/GAZELEY but I think I only confused myself further. ;) There are entries for a Henry GAZELEY in Summer Hill from about 1893 to 1930 (one in Smith St for many many years). And there are two entries for a Henry GAZELEY from about 1904 on. But whether this means that there were two Henry GAZELEYs or just one Henry GAZELEY listed at two properties I haven't a clue.

Unless it all falls into place for you, the only way to go might be to get one or more NSW certificates. But they are very expensive! Transcription agents are a bit cheaper ...

Most of my Australian research has been in Victoria, Australia. Perhaps someone else can suggest other places to look in NSW - wills, passenger lists, MIs, etc?

Incidentally, do you know for sure that Henry/James came to Australia?

Best of luck,

JAP

[garstonite]

Hi Jap...re...am i sure Henry James came to Australia ?....No...it was the death in NSW that matches the birth in 1853 and no sign of him in the later census in England....allan

[PaulPen]

I Googled it and got:
Children's Services New South Wales
Cane Sugar Natural Sweeteners :confused:
C.S.N.S.W
Or was it when Neil Young left and they were going to replace him with Stevie Wonder? Now that would have made it "interesting"

[garstonite]

C.S.N.S.W
Or was it when Neil Young left and they were going to replace him with Stevie Wonder? Now that would have made it "interesting"

very clever Paul.....lol...allan;)