What parish does/did Churchill belong to?

[parkview]

Hi,

I wonder if anyone can help me? I'd like to start trying to trace the Irish side of my family tree beyond my great grandfather.

He (and his siblings) were baptised at Churchill, Kerry. Would anybody be able to tell me what parish that fell in (he was christened in 1870)?

I'm guessing at Spa, but don't know for sure, so to avoid fruitless searches, I thought I'd try to get more certainty.

Thanks to anyone who is able to help.

[Jan1954]

Hello parkview,

Spa, also known as Fenit, is the correct parish for Churchill.

If you visit dioceseofkerry.ie, then click on Parishes (in the sidebar) and then click on Spa, Churchill is shown.

[Mutley]

Could it be Fenit? If you google Churchill, that is what comes up on the address of properties for sale or rent. ;)

Otherwise Rootsweb (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/civparlist.html)has a list of civil parishes and links to Townlands and Maps that might help.

[Jan1954]

Hello again parkview,

You may also be interested in this (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=viewproduct&cat=&id=P81931&pageOffset=2) to help you to trace your Kerry ancestors. ;)

[parkview]

Many Thanks for your help.

Spa/Fenit it is.

I shall order the book - I think I will need all the help I can get!

[Brendan Joseph]

If you give us his name, we can find his civil birth registration

Brendan

[parkview]

Thank you - he was called Jeremiah Reidy and the family claim is that he was born 14/12/1870, baptised 24/12/1870.
So I guess he could have been registered in either 1870 or 1871.

Many Thanks - Park View

[Brendan Joseph]

There are two possibilities:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#toYear=1871;searchType=standard;year=18 70;surname=Reidy;p=recordResults;givenName=Jeremia h;placeId=8003252;eventPlace=Kerry%2C%20Ireland

For some reason he does not appear in IGI records

Brendan

[parkview]

Thank you so much - he wouldn't be easy to find, would he?! I did try IGI - or thought I did.

Now, dare I ask, as a newcomer to the Irish side of research, if you can point me in the right direction as to how to order certificates with this info?

Have I missed a sticky post on this subject? If so, could someone kindly just send me in the right direction and out of your hair.

I guess I wlll go for both certs and hope one offers some clues that connect.

Thanks for your help - I may well be back!

[JNicLiam]

You might also be interested in looking at the 1911 census which is available for free at www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ to see if any family still in the area.

[JNicLiam]

A good source of info on starting Kerry family history is at Waterlilys site Kerry Genealogy at
www.igp-web.com/kerry/
also plenty useful links.

[parkview]

Thank you.

I have him on the 1911 census (once I got past him being mistranscribed as Keidy!).

I will also check out the site - have used it ages ago but looks like there's a fair bit of new stuff on there.

I'd like to try for his birth cert but the GRO form seems to need a mother's maiden name and the information provided on the Family Search site's records doesn't give that, so I'm not sure how I can get a certificate.

[Mutley]

These links may help.

Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/state/)
Irish Times Counties Index (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/index.htm)
Irish Roots (http://www.irish-roots.ie/counties.asp) - Genealogy Centres
Family Search (https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Ireland_Census) - Census
Proni (http://www.proni.gov.uk/)- Public Records of Northern Ireland
Groni (http://www.groni.gov.uk/)- General Register Office for Northern Ireland
Groireland (http://www.groireland.ie/) - The General Register Office
The National Archives of Ireland (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/) (Southern Ireland)
The National Library of Ireland (http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx) Getting Started Leaflet

Groireland. Print the Application form and send or fax it with your credit card details. I found the service was very good.

[parkview]

Thank you for those Mutley - that'll keep me going for a while!

I'm sorry if I'm being thick - but have you ordered a birth cert without a mother's maiden name?

The results on the Family Search index to Irish civil registrations don't give that fact but GRO seem to need it as it's a mandatory field on their form.

I'm sure there's a simple explanation - me being inexperienced, most likely!

[Mutley]

Hello Parkview,
I must admit that I had the mother's maiden name. I have not tried ordering without. I know that they will search for you, two years either side of a date but I am not sure if you do not have the names.

What I did was to go to the "Irish Family History Foundation" site. You have to google for it because it is commercial.

Once you find it, you register with them and can then search for free.
I tried your man and only one hit came up.
Church Baptism. Reidy Jeremiah. 1871. Co. Limerick

Now comes the really hard part. If you think he is your Jeremiah, you need one of those little plastic cards, the one with loads of numbers, it normally has visa or similar written in the corner. ;) You then agree to part with 5€ to view and download the printed details.

The good news is that it will tell you, immediately,
Child's Full Name
Baptism Date
Town and County
Denomination
Father's Name
Mother's First Name and Maiden Name
Sponsor's Names
Name of Priest

Then you can order the certificate from Groireland. :)

[Mutley]

I have just looked at the Family Search Link given above and it does seem that there were two children with the same name and one died.

The IFHF child was baptised in Limerick, though that is next door to Kerry and there was not a Reidy child in Kerry (it says Kerry records are complete). Maybe you need to do a bit more searching in there with variations of the name.

I wonder if before parting with lots of money it would be best to order the Kerry parish record from your nearest Family History (Mormon) branch.

It really depends how deep are your pockets and how impatient you are. ;)

[parkview]

Thanks again for your help Mutley.

I believe the IFHF database does not hold Kerry records, unfortunately. (It's red on the map showing coverage).

I think ordering the film for the Kerry records is the way forward, as it looks more likely to be him.

While I don't mind flexing the plastic, I'd prefer to have a fighting chance of getting the right certificate when I do.

Many Thanks again for your help.

[Tierneylass]

Baptism of JEREMIA REIDY of KNOCKANISH
on 1 January 1871
Parish of SPA R.C.
Diocese of KERRY
Name JEREMIA REIDY
Date of Birth 24 December 1870
Address KNOCKANISH
Father JEREMIA REIDY
Mother MARY GRIFFIN
Further details in the record

Sponsor 1 NR
Sponsor 2 NR
About the record

Book Number Page Entry Number
N/R N/R N/R
Hiya

I found this on the IrishGenealogy website


hope its the right one for you :)

[Tierneylass]

Knockanish is a Townland near Spa and Fenit. Do you know any more details about where they lived etc...house etc I could check out local history sources in Tralee for you if you like

[parkview]

Thank you tierneylass - that is him! That site you used is great! I've also managed to confirm his siblings' baptisms too.

The family lived on a farm in Knockanish - on the 1911 census they are described as living in Knockanush (sic) East - but there are about 10 or so other properties there so I don't know which would be theirs - other than they had clearly lived there for around 40 years or more by then.

[Tierneylass]

did you try any searches in Tralee Library local History Section? I am not too familiar with what resources could help you pin the location down but I imagine it would be a great help. Also there is a Kerry history Society..I do not imagine they research individuals but I am sure they would advise? They now have a new website:
kerryhistory.ie/shist.html (put www. in front)

maybe there is more info to be had...even land documents might help as land sold would have had records?
give me a shout if i can do anything on the ground...I pop into the library often enough as I am a full Time Carer of a sick child and we she reads an awful lot lol