Julia A Gittins / Farmer

[daz5]

Am i ok with all these postings or is there a limit ???|help| .
Whats wrong with me today !!!!!.
I carnt find Julia A Gittins / Farmer in 1901 either ???
Shes the sister of George Albert previous link.
Born 1859 Jan qtr Dudley district.
Found her 1861 cencus sedgley , 1871 bilston , 1881 sedgley . Gets married 1885 to Charles Farmer , living at home with her husband at her mum and dads 1891 , her mum & dad being George & Caroline .
But nothing 1901 How strange is that !!.
Darran
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[Keyboard86]

Hi Daz, found a possible cause for Charles Farmer, on FreeBMD there is a death of same aged 49 in Aston Sept qtr 1900 ref 6d 291

Best Regards
Keyboard86|wave|

[daz5]

Hi Keyboard , good to here from you , you would think i would be able to find Julia though , i did look for her in single & married name ..I found Charles Farmer a bit difficult to look for there was so many of them ,,,Weird as i have never known anybody with farmer as a surname .

[Keyboard86]

Hi Daz you would have more of a problem if she remarried after his possible death!

Best Regards
Keyboard86

[daz5]

No dont say things like that , especialy if it iz him you found death for , nar shes a Gittins it takes us a lot longer then a year to pull..
I never found children for them either...

[Waitabit]

Hey Daz, I found, a long time ago & the same has been mentioned here in other posts..after a Parental death a Family seems absent from census reports. Either they are in foster care, with rellies, on the street or haven't yet become accustomed to functioning with out missing Parent/s. Maybe if they are in temp accomodation the household head doesn't know how to list them.

I'd like to know the answer too.

[Sue Mackay]

I don't know if it's her, but there is a marriage of a Julia FARMER to a John Henry BOWDLER in Dudley Sep qtr 1891 Vol 6c p155

In the 1901 census they are at 14 Campbell St, Kingswinford and Julia is described as 39 (poetic licence?) and born in Brierley Hill, Staffordshire. She has a 9 year old son.

RG13; Piece: 2759; Folio: 107; Page: 28

[daz5]

Hi Sue , i would have thought that julia would be to old , i soppose the way round this is to do some research on charles farmer and see what happened to him and when , i think we are killing him off a bit quick LOL..
Darran

[AdeleE]

I've found them on the 1900 US census:

40 West Main Street, Village of Port Jervis, Township of Deerpark, Orange county, New York state

Chas Farmer, head, b Nov 1866, 33, married 14 years, b. England, parents b. England, immig 1890, naturalized, Occup: insurance, rents his home
Julia Farmer, wife, b. Jan 1862, 38, married 14 years, 2 children born, 0 still alive, b. England, parents b. England, immigr 1892, immigration status (blank)
and 5 US born boarders in the house.

So far the trail runs cold after this census........

Adele

[michaelpipe]

I've found them on the 1900 US census:

40 West Main Street, Village of Port Jervis, Township of Deerpark, Orange county, New York state

Chas Farmer, head, b Nov 1866, 33, married 14 years, b. England, parents b. England, immig 1890, naturalized, Occup: insurance, rents his home
Julia Farmer, wife, b. Jan 1862, 38, married 14 years, 2 children born, 0 still alive, b. England, parents b. England, immigr 1892, immigration status (blank)
and 5 US born boarders in the house.

So far the trail runs cold after this census........

Adele
..................except that in 1891 Daz5 has them with Julia's parents George & Caroline.

[AdeleE]

Just spotted them in 1910, still in Port Jervis, enumerated as Fanner. Charles is now saying 1892 as date of immigration.

Adele

[michaelpipe]

Julia certainly shows up in the passenger lists for 1892. Charles is harder to pick as there are several.

[daz5]

Wow ,, whats been going on today !!.Last night you had poor Charles down as dead and buried and Julia married again within 6 months !!! LOL..
What a diffrence a day makes they are both in new york today:cool: ,
What can i say , what to believe , its amazing >>> The only negative bit is Julia has got 3 years younger..
And looks like both children have died , i never found no children for them...
Let me know michaelpipe & adeleE what this means is it true ive never had a rely move abroad ..
Darran

[AdeleE]

Just spotted them in 1910, still in Port Jervis, enumerated as Fanner. Charles is now saying 1892 as date of immigration.

Adele

I should have said indexed as Fanner. The image reads Farmer.

Charles Farmer, head, 42, married 20 years, 2 children born,# still living = blank, b. England, parents b England, immig 1892, naturalized, real estate agent, rents his home
Julia Farmer, wife, 48, b. England, parents b. England, immigr = blank
+ 3 boarders in the home

Port Jervis City (part of), Town of Deerpark, Orange, New York.

Adele

[AdeleE]

I can't see them in 1920, but think I have found Julia in 1930:

945 West End Avenue, Manhattan, New York

She's lodging with a widowed 71 year old Frederick Barrisse, a bank teller.

Julie G. Farmer, maid, 70, widowed, age at first marriage = 25, b England, parents, b. England, immig 1895, naturalized, housekeeper, private family

middle initial = Gittens?

Adele

[daz5]

Wow adeleE , Thats them isnt it how exciting ,any idea what the boat was called that took them. Any idea when charles died and what happened to there children .Wow thats wonderful .
You are totally great how on earth did you find this out !!!.
Many many thanks..
Darran

[AdeleE]

For deaths in New York City, here's how they'll take your money:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/death.shtml

and for deaths outside of New York City, here's the website:

http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/genealogy.htm

I'll look for passenger lists a little later.

Adele

[michaelpipe]

Julia certainly shows up in the passenger lists for 1892. Charles is harder to pick as there are several.

Had a look at this one and it looks wrong. The Single, Servant part appears to be a problem.

Ship: City of Berlin
Name: Julia Farmer
Date of Departure: 24th Aug 1892
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Passenger Destination: New York USA
Date of Birth (calculated from age) 1862
Age 30
Marital status: single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Servant

[daz5]

Yes Micheal we no that to be wrong , what a mystery ...So where does that leave us ?

[Keyboard86]

Yes Micheal we no that to be wrong , what a mystery ...So where does that leave us ?

Up a certain creek without a paddle maybe?!
As usual
Keyboard!|snore|

[daz5]

HA HA|laugh1| this ancestrys great in it , it lifts u up and crashes u down !!..
Start again or move onto another lost rely ?

[daz5]

LOL , its not a duplicate ,,, its a second cry for Help !!! LOL..

I have found A Charles Farmer in 1901 living West Bromwich listed as a brother in law , he is with the Birch family , he is down as born Warwickshire 1864..?

[MarkJ]

LOL , its not a duplicate ,,, its a second cry for Help !!! LOL..


In which case it is better to "bump" your original thread - by posting a bit of info to the thread ;)

The problem with duplicating (or creating another thread on the same person if you prefer), is that the first thread may already have posts which can often assist others to help and add extra info.

The duplication of threads is - as is explained in the AUP - not permitted, and duplicates should be removed. As Moderators, we tend to close the latest thread and link to the original rather than simply delete - after all, we all get stuck at times and it is easy to forget that we have already mentioned an ancestor.

For info, the AUP states -

"Posting of the same message to more than one forum is not allowed as it clutters the board and causes confusion. Duplicate posts will be removed."




Mark

[daz5]

Yip no worrys , we went down the wrong creek with Julia last posting ..
Daz5