Phebe Ball Gittins Marriage

[daz5]

Hi , Everyone.
I hope im not being a pain with all my postings , but im getting involved with my Midlands ancestry...My gt,gt,gt Grandad Thomas Gittins born Tipton 1816 got married to a Phebe in 1839 in the West Bromwich area , i was asumed it was Phebe Ball just wondering if anybody can confirm this as i have no proof.If it is her she was born 1816 Birmingham..

[Astoria]

I can find both names being married in 1839 in West Bromich, but not on the same page :confused:

Also no record of a Thomas/Phebe of any close names in that year.

[Astoria]

In 1849 - freebmd - there is an Abraham Gittins and a Phebe Gittins on the same page in the West Brom. area.

[sue2white]

Hi again
I looked for this marriage on your other Gittins thread, but could not find it. Could only find Phoebe Gittins marrying Abraham Gittins in 1849.
Sue

:confused:

[Astoria]

Hi again
I looked for this marriage on your other Gittins thread, but could not find it. Could only find Phoebe Gittins marrying Abraham Gittins in 1849.
Sue

:confused:

Not just me then, what makes you think Thomas and Phebe married?

[sue2white]

On Ancestry
Phebe Ball
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 697

Thomas Gittins
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 695

??? Something is wrong!

Sue

[sue2white]

On free BMD

Marriages Dec 1839 )
BALL Phebe W. Bromwich 18 697
BILLINGHAM Elijah W. Bromwich 18 697
GIBBONS William John W. Bromwich 18 697
Handly Dominick W.Bromwich 18 697
Holyoak Charlotte Wt. Bromwich 18 697
KEANE Bridget Wt. Bromwich 18 697
Parker Ann W. Bromwich 18 697
ROBERTS John Wt. Bromwich 18 697

Marriages Dec 1839
GITTINS Thomas Wt. Bromwich 18 695
HUSSELBEE Ann West Bromwich 18 695
Long Matthew Wt. Bromwich 18 695
Perry Caroline Wt. Bromwich 18 695
Powell William Wt. Bromwich 18 695
WEDGE Caroline W. Bromwich 18 695
WILLIAMS Mary Ann W. Bromwich 18 695
WINKLEY William Kimberley W. Bromwich 18 695

I don't think both sites would have this wrong.
Sue

[daz5]

Hi.
Thankyou very much for the effort , its not just me being new to this then and missing the info !..
I came to the conclusion of this Astoria as ...In the 1841 Cencus Thomas Gittins was married to a Phebe and had a child Ann born 1839 .Thomas dies in 1848 and as Sue found Abraham gets married to a Phebe Gittins (which seemed very weird when i found it) 1849.Then on the next cencus 1851 Abrahams with Phebe and theres little Ann born 1839 (aarrh relief) so i just was happy to put in me ancestery book Abraham gets married to his brothers wife .But as you say i never did find the marriage of Thomas & Phebe but it happened and the closest it gets (thankfuly Phebe a rare name) is 1839 as Thomas and Phebe Ball get married in the same qtr .But it would be nice to be a bit more posative before searching for her parents..Darran

[sue2white]

I never did find the marriage of Thomas & Phebe but it happened and the closest it gets (thankfuly Phebe a rare name) is 1839 as Thomas and Phebe Ball get married in the same qtr

On each page of this marriage register, there are 4 marriages. When looking at the Free BMD, you cannot actually be sure who marries who, but you can be sure that each female marries one of the males. If you look at the information I found, Phebe Ball and Thomas Gittins are not on the same page, so unless there is a mistake in the recording of the register (which both Ancestry & BMD use - and you can see the orginal page, if you look) then they did not marry each other.

Can I ask how you know Phebe is Phebe Ball Gittins? Is it on a birth certificate that you have, or did you find it on the IGI? Because if this is correct, then it does seem likely that she married a Gittins - or at least, took his name.

Sue:cool:

[Astoria]

Hi Darran,

The 1841 does not show relationships, just who was in the house, do you have the reference and we will have a look. :)

[sue2white]

Found them 1841

Thomas Gittins 25 Forgeman
Phoebe Gittins 25
Ann Gittins 2
None of them born in county.

Class: HO107; Piece 568; Book: 20;

Is this really the same Thomas? You cannot be sure which county they were born in, or whether they were really married.

Sue

[sue2white]

1851 Living in Tipton

Abraham Gittins 30 Puddler
Pheba Gittins 35
Ann Gittins 12
William Gittins 8
George Gittins 8
David Gittins 5
Thomas Gittins 4
Samuel Gittins 1

Class: HO107; Piece: 2029; Folio: 661; Page: 26;

So Phoebe & Ann move back to Staffordshire from Liverpool

Uuumm!!

Sue

[daz5]

Hiya , Im not sure it is Phebe Ball thats why i posted but Thomas did get married to a Phebe as Thomas is on the 1841 cencus in Toxteth liverpool probley working on the Albert dock , with wife Phebe born birmingham and little daughter Ann .Abraham must marry the same phebe as on the 1851 cencus when they are together ann is there again.I have just guessed its Phebe Ball as they both got married same qtr and there arnt many phebes about to choose from...Darran

[daz5]

Oh sorry ,,, didnt answer query all 3 moved back to staffordshire im guessing again about 1846 and Thomas died 1848 Dudley district Staffordshire.This is great fun this ancestry its like cludo with no end,,

[sue2white]

Oh sorry ,,, didnt answer query all 3 moved back to staffordshire im guessing again about 1846 and Thomas died 1848 Dudley district Staffordshire

Don't guess!
Have you Thomas's death certificate, as there are other Thomas's who could 'fit the bill' To name a few:

Deaths Sep 1841
GITTINS Thomas Ellesmere 18 43

Deaths Jun 1842
Gittins Thomas Liverpool 20 217

Deaths Dec 1848
Gittins Thomas Ellesmere

Deaths Mar 1848
Gittins Thomas Dudley 18 324
Gittins Thomas W Bromwich 18 577

We can find no evidence of Thomas's marriage to Phoebe on the BMD, so it is likely they married (if at all) before Sept 1837. There is no record as yet on the IGI, so unless you can pinpoint where they were living at the time of marriage, their marriage will be a needle in a haystack to find on parish records.

Sue

[daz5]

Hi Sue..
Yes possibly they could have got married before 1837 but they would be living anywhere in the north midlands he christained Wednesbury , phebe down as born Birmingham family living Sedgley 1841 so you are right needle in haystack .I no you are laughing at me but the Death is a educated g**** ,sorry no i asked a lady on genes Aylisha i think her name was she said 1848 and it looked right considering as the children were born .So i think thats gonna stay a mystery for a while longer...It was worth a post to see if anybody was looking for the same or allready had done.Onwards and upwards then , see if i have some look with my other postings , and dont worry i have quite a few more mysterys to post soon , Its fun being a new member and talking to new people who help..
Darran