View Full Version : Charles Taylor
Hello, I'm a new kid on the block. I am looking for Charles Taylor's parents. He was born in Liverpool 1861, he pops up as a showman's assistant in the 1881 census - later he marries Amelia Graham and after various jobs he becomes a steward and jumps ship some time after 1898. I don't know whether it was USA or Canada but he is believed to have 'married' there and had another large family. Does this ring a bell for anyone? Can anyone help me?
janbooth
15-03-2005, 10:28 AM
Is he the one who is in Toxteth Park in the 1881 census? If so, he is shown as a Pawnbrokers Assistant in the actual census and born abt 1865. If he is the correct Charles Taylor, let me know and I can send you the actual image.
Janet.
Dear Janet,
I've only this minute found your message - I'm not very good at getting around this site yet.
It could very well be my Charles - he does seem to have been a bit of a lad and Toxteth isn't too far away from his home turf!
Any help gratefully received.
BW Gayna
Wirral
31-12-2005, 6:04 PM
Hi Gayna
Have you got Charles's marriage certificate now? He was married in 1887 at St George, Everton. The certificate would give the name & occupation of his father. That would make it easier to pin him down.
Dear Janet,
Thank you for your reply. Yes I do have the marriage cert and it states father - mariner - deceased. I THINK I have found him - son of Samuel Taylor of Newton Heath, near Manchester. He had two sisters Nancy (1823) and Emma (1833) who were born in Newton Heath but I have doubts to where Charles was born in 1822, one source said Prussia or Nepal. The other bit of info I have is he may have married a Scottish widow named Ann Black but can't be sure on that either.
Any help or advice you can give would be gratefully received. Happy New Year.
Gayna
uksearch
03-01-2006, 2:08 PM
SNIP
but I have doubts to where Charles was born in 1822, one source said Prussia or Nepal. The other bit of info I have is he may have married a Scottish widow named Ann Black but can't be sure on that either.
Any help or advice you can give would be gratefully received. Happy New Year.
Gayna
Are you referring to the Charles Gregory at RG 9 2702 folio 31 ?
If so "Dienasty" have him indexed as born in Nepal (never in a million years)...I could have my arm twisted (with cig burns) to agree with Prussia. The final letter could be a "d"but the double ss (looking like fs) is fairly clear.
UK
Wow! Thank you little Lurker in UK. I honestly didn't think I would ever get an answer. Do you think Charles' father, Samuel, was also a mariner? But even then how on earth would mummy Taylor be in Russia? Could there be a place in or near Manchester that sounds like Russia? It all sounds a bit mysterious, especially as the family rumour has it that he jumped ship later on in life. Can I buy his birth certificate?
Thank you once again for yor help.
Wirral
10-01-2006, 11:19 AM
Hi Gayna
It is possible you could be after a red herring here. In your 1st post you say that Charles Taylor was born in 1861 & he married Amelia Graham. In a later post, if I am reading it correctly, you give his father as Charles Taylor, possibly born 1822 in Newton Heath, son of Samuel Taylor.
The problem is that all these names are very common in Lancashire. Add in the complication of seamen who are often missed off censuses & you can easily head off on the wrong track.
The 1861 census that UKsearch gave you has a Charles Taylor married to an Ann Black. This may suggest that you are on the right lines, but only if you have independent evidence (eg strong family oral history of such a marriage, personal letters, documents etc). If the "evidence" ultimately comes from that census entry, then you could be going round in a circle!
Wirral
10-01-2006, 11:46 AM
Hi again
Just found Charles & Amelia in 1891 census.
RG12/2976 page 45 folio 103, Prince Leopold Public House, 185 Rice Lane, Walton-on-the-Hill, Liverpool, Lancashire
Charles Taylor, head, M 30 Publican, Liverpool
Amelia Taylor wife M 31 Liverpool
Charles E. Taylor son 2 Liverpool
Sarah E. Taylor sister U, 18, Inn assistant, Liverpool
uksearch
10-01-2006, 1:30 PM
Wow! Thank you little Lurker in UK. I honestly didn't think I would ever get an answer. Do you think Charles' father, Samuel, was also a mariner? But even then how on earth would mummy Taylor be in Russia? Could there be a place in or near Manchester that sounds like Russia? It all sounds a bit mysterious, especially as the family rumour has it that he jumped ship later on in life. Can I buy his birth certificate?
Thank you once again for yor help.
I can't really answer any of those questions. At one time I was an ADI and used to teach mainly Oriental folk.I remember a Korean chap asked me to drop him of at a place (which sounded to me) called Mushroom. I asked him to repeat the name several times. I then asked him if he had the name of the place written down and he produced an envelope with the address on it...Rusholme...close but no cigar. I guess anything is possible.
UK
Hello Wirral
Thank you for all the help.
I am pretty sure that the Charles Taylor in the 1861C married to Ann Black is mine! As far as I know she was a widow from Scotland and had two boys. But I don't know where this Charles was born and I'm not sure that Samuel, of Newton Heath, is his father. He seems to have been a bit of a rackety character as family gossip has it that he jumped ship before Charles and Amelia got married as he is listed there as deceased. Also there was an advert in a Liverpool paper looking for relations of Charles senior - it was put in by a firm of solicitors but my grandfather wouldn't reply to it as he said it would be for colection of debts and he didn't want to know. That would have been about 1935ish.
I wish I had more to go on.
Wirral
10-01-2006, 5:48 PM
In the 1901 census, no sign of Charles with Amelia & the children.
RG13/3458 page 47 folio 58, 38 Hero St, Bootle, [Liverpool], Lancs.
Amelia Taylor wife M 41, Liverpool
Ernest Taylor son S 12 Liverpool
Stanley Taylor son S 8 Liverpool
Florence Taylor dau S 3 Liverpool
Charles Locke boarder M 40 ham curer, Somerset Willington
Alice Locke boarder M 30 Lancs Formby
Thomas Locke boarder S 5mth, Lancs Bootle
George Hill boarder S 22 joiner Belfast
I've just looked at the trade directories at the library. The only definite mentions of your Charles jnr is at the public house "Prince Leopold", 185 Rice Lane, Walton in the 1891 & 1892 editions. Before & after that he is not at that address & I can't identify him elsewhere (there are lots with that name). My local library has a big gap in the directories between 1897 & 1912, so I can't say if he is listed as being in Hero St with Amelia at any time.
Hello,
I have found my Charles Taylor!!! He is on 1861C RG9/2702: F31; P60; S301 BUT now I have another problem.... Can anyone tell me where he was born and who his parents were? Well I'm just asking!!!
Wirral
13-01-2006, 3:24 PM
Hi Gayna
Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, but this is the reference that UK gave you last week, with the place of birth transcribed as Nepal, but actually reads as Prussia to both UK & me. Some mariners wives did go to sea, so it is possible that that is why Charles was born abroad.
gayna
14-01-2006, 12:31 PM
Oh Squelch!
I really thought I had it. How can I find out more, any suggestions??? Anybody??
uksearch
14-01-2006, 1:37 PM
Hi Gayna
SNIP
Some mariners wives did go to sea, so it is possible that that is why Charles was born abroad.
And I suppose it is possible that Charles's father met and married a lady from Nepal.
UK
Wirral
14-01-2006, 3:21 PM
In that case, UK, maybe he sailed with the Swiss Navy.;)
(A similar size to the Nepalese navy?)
I get the feeling UK and Wirral that you are both teasing me or extracting Michael!!
Whatever - thanks for the help and if you should come across a Charles Taylor dob 1822 born in foreign climes please think of me!!
Are you referring to the Charles Gregory at RG 9 2702 folio 31 ?
If so "Dienasty" have him indexed as born in Nepal (never in a million years)...I could have my arm twisted (with cig burns) to agree with Prussia. The final letter could be a "d"but the double ss (looking like fs) is fairly clear.
UK
UK Quick question - where did you find the Gregory????
uksearch
15-01-2006, 3:25 PM
I get the feeling UK and Wirral that you are both teasing me or extracting Michael!!
Whatever - thanks for the help and if you should come across a Charles Taylor dob 1822 born in foreign climes please think of me!!
Certainly not.
UK|hug|
uksearch
15-01-2006, 3:27 PM
Ancestry... just search for anyone born in Nepal and he will appear at RG 9 2702 folio 31
UK
OK so we think he was born in Russia, Prussia, Nepal or Rufford in 1822. We know he married a widow called Ann Black and lived in Liverpool at the 1861 census RG9/2702 F31. We also know that he had a son also called Charles Taylor born in 1858, who doesn't show on that census (maybe he had been farmed out to grandparents)
Can anyone help me find Charles Taylor's marriage to Ann Black - where and when. Then I can send for the cert and find out who his parents were.
uksearch
17-01-2006, 11:36 AM
Have you searched the GRO index of marriages?
UK
Wirral
19-01-2006, 12:32 AM
Hi Gayna
I had made a note to look up this marriage, but I do not think it is yours after all.
St Nicholas Liverpool 21 April 1856. after Banns
Charles Taylor, full age, widower, warehouseman, Norfolk St, father Jonathan Taylor shoe maker
Ann Croft, full age, spinster, Norfolk St, father Robert Croft, carter
Witnesses: Peter Taylor, Mary Griffith
Hi Wirral and Uk
No that isn't my Charles - mine was definitely a mariner.
I have checked with GRO and I can't find him there either.
Thank you very, very much for trying to help me.
Best wishes from a very fed up lady.
Wirral
22-01-2006, 7:12 PM
Hi Gayna
Think I have found it. |woohoo|
Marriage March quarter 1858 Liverpool vol 8b page 14. Charles Taylor & Ann Black on the same page.
Wirral,
Wheeeew! Go to the top of the class with a bowl of cherries! Thank you so much I shall now try to get their marriage cert and see where I go from there.
Talk to you soon:)
I have found a christening date for a Charles Taylor at St. Peter's, Liverpool.
It states that he was christened on 17 Aug 1826 and his parents were William and Elizabeth. I can't find a birth date - could it be possible that this is the Charles dob 1822 born in Prussia/Russia? How can I find out how old he was when he was christened??? Anybody with ideas??
Wirral
26-01-2006, 7:37 PM
If the actual date of birth was recorded in the church register, then the IGI would have recorded it. If the IGI got their info from the Bishop's Transcripts, then there is a slim chance that the actual register would record the date of birth. The baptism registers from 1813 did not include a column for date of birth, only for date of baptism. Some ministers/clerks included the date of birth in the margin, but this was not required & few did write it in. If they did not routinely include the DOB, then they might include it if the baptism was some years after the birth.
Memorial inscriptions sometimes give the date of birth. Was Charles apprenticed or go into the army or navy? Did he go into the workhouse or was he given parish relief? Such records might include a DOB.
Oh dear Wirral!
I don't think he did any of that - as far as I know he was listed as a mariner and I don't even know for which line. I have sent for his marriage cert. so that might yield a clue.
Otherwise I might have to consider joining the Nepalese navy myself!!!!
Gayna
Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!
I have just received Charles Taylor and Ann Black's marriage cert. AND their 'son' Charles Taylor' birth cert.
The marriage cert 11.1.1858 states that Charles is a mariner (correct) and his father is John Taylor (Joiner). Ann is a widow (correct) But it states that Ann's father's name is Henry Boyd (Barman) and they both lived at Charlotte Place, Liverpool. I had thought Ann Black's maiden name was Cockburn from Scotland.
Now for the 'son' I have received the birth cert. of a Charles Taylor 13.10.1858 at 7, Court Pellew Street, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool. This states that father is a Charles Taylor, dock labourer and mother Elizabeth Taylor nee Caton.
Can anyone help me sort this mess out????? I thought the Charles and Ann bit was correct but now I just don't know where to go next. Help!!!
Powered by vBulletin™ Version 4.1.3 Copyright © 2013 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.