mottershead swindells

[suz.h]

being really cheeky and not wanting to renew genes reunited could some one please chesk 1841 & 1851 census for mottershead swindells born app 1789 macclesfield with son john swindells born app 1829 mottersheads profesion weaver johns profesion paperhanger thank you

[suemalings]

1841

Derby Street, Macclesfield:

Mottershead age 50 Silk Weaver
Jemima age 50
Elizabeth 15
Joseph 13
John 13
Hannah 11
Sarah 9
James 6


1851

Mottershead age 61 Yeoman Born Stockport
Janet 61
Mary 20
Sarah 18
John 21
James 16

I had a quick check on FreeBMD for a marriage entry but only came up with the death of Mottershead in 1869.

[Mutley]

And just in case you have not seen it there is a reference in Cheshire Parish and Probate Records, Wills and Inventories 1811 - 1820
Swindells, Mottershead (the elder) of Macclesfield, twister. 28 Nov 1817
now preserved in the Probate Registry at Chester.

Also the Marriage of Mottershead Swindells to Jemimah Booth in 1810 at Gawsworth. (Pallots)

What a fantastic name :)

[Mutley]

They are both on the 1861 and Jemima is on the 1871 census. She dies in 1876 age 88. 8a/124

Nice names to follow so if you need any more information just ask.

[suz.h]

have found mottershead and jemima on 1861 census looks as if need to change forums to sherborne dorset there is also a christening reg 11/11/1789 at sherborne parents peter and mary

[Ken Follows]

My g.g.grandfather David (Davis) Swindells b. 1837
Married Louisa Moss
Daughter Hannah my g.grandmother
Hannah married Arthur Corbishley
All based Macclesfield - working in silk mills
If this connects with yours let me know please.

[suz.h]

hi ken sorry no david know about as yet the last child that i have is james swindells born 1835 his other children are george, anne, elizabeth, joseph,john,hannah and sarah

[gasser]

Further to the information posted by Mutley there are two entries on the Cheshire Wills database online for:

MOTTERSHEAD SWINDELLS MACCLESFIELD occ.TWISTER 1817
MOTTERSHEAD SWINDELLS MACCLESFIELD occ. SILK MANUFACTURER 1841

[suz.h]

mottershead swindells who i'm chasing died 1869 he was only a silk weaver so probably didn't leave a will as his wife survived him by 7 years, according to 1861 census he was born in sherborne dorset and there is a mottershead swindle baptism reg 1789 in sherborne trying to find how he came from dorset to cheshire.

[MythicalMarian]

Just a little aside to you Sue. You are extremely lucky to have such a splendid forename for your Swindells guy in the Stockport area, because - believe me - they are legion! I doubt I've seen a parish register without Swindells in it over the past quarter of a century :D

As for a silk weaver not leaving a will - don't be too sure. Silk weavers came in all strengths :) - from those who worked in a factory to the big manufacturers. If you are able, you simply must splash out the £6 or £7 it would cost you to get those two wills Gasser suggests - you can pay online and the wills would be with you within about 10 days. I think three Mottershead Swindells are too oddly named not to be related, don't you? The two older Motties may mention Dorset in their wills, which would help you.

Good Luck.

[gasser]

according to 1861 census he was born in sherborne dorset and there is a mottershead swindle baptism reg 1789 in sherborne trying to find how he came from dorset to cheshire.


I found the 1789 Sherborne baptism to which you refer showing his parents as Peter and Mary Swindels. I have not found a marriage for Peter and Mary, however, a further search shows Mary Ann, daughter of Peter and Mary Swindels bapt. March 18 1792 at St Michael's Church, Macclesfield, . It may be possible that Peter was from the Macclesfield area originally. There is a will at Cheshire for PETER SWINDELLS MACCLESFIELD YEOMAN dated 1843. This might be worth investigating.

[gasser]

There is also a will at Cheshire for MARY SWINDELLS MACCLESFIELD WIDOW 1848 :)

[MythicalMarian]

I found the 1789 Sherborne baptism to which you refer showing his parents as Peter and Mary Swindels. I have not found a marriage for Peter and Mary, however, a further search shows Mary Ann, daughter of Peter and Mary Swindels bapt. March 18 1792 at St Michael's Church, Macclesfield, . It may be possible that Peter was from the Macclesfield area originally. There is a will at Cheshire for PETER SWINDELLS MACCLESFIELD YEOMAN dated 1843. This might be worth investigating.

I'm in Gasser's corner with this. I URGE you to search in Cheshire for all things Swindells. It could well be that they originated there and one man moved down to Hardy country with his job for a while.

I have a gut feeling about this for you, Sue. It really is a very strong name in the Cheshire area. In fact I think you will find that it is a Northern surname, and although this does not necessarily mitigate against Dorset origins, I would turn my eyes north if I were you. :D In fact - Mottershead also abounds - especially around the Malpas area. The two combined screams North to me.

[suz.h]

thank you everyone i have now sent off for both wills of mottershead swindells will update when they arrive.

[suz.h]

the last will and testament of mottershead swindells the elder 19/06/1815 he leaves properties to both his sons mottershead the younger and peter swindells, he also leaves a pew/sitting place situated in the western gallery of the old church in macclesfield? any ideas (except one seat belonging to john rushton. suspect this mottershead is maybe my mottersheads grandad and he also has uncle mottershead dont u love family names.

[gasser]

Good news about the will - mentions Peter, I see.


he also leaves a pew/sitting place situated in the western gallery of the old church in macclesfield? any ideas

There is a website on google search (Macclesfield Pews - 3rd one down)which gives list of people who bought Pews at St Michael's Church in Macclesfield between 1670 and 1767 . I know this is out of your time frame but there are a few Swindell names mentioned.

[suz.h]

Good news about the will - mentions Peter, I see.



There is a website on google search (Macclesfield Pews - 3rd one down)which gives list of people who bought Pews at St Michael's Church in Macclesfield between 1670 and 1767 . I know this is out of your time frame but there are a few Swindell names mentioned.
dear gasser have also sent of for wills on peter and mary here's hoping! i think you may be right about st michaels it keeps cropping up

[MythicalMarian]

Good news about the will - mentions Peter, I see.



There is a website on google search (Macclesfield Pews - 3rd one down)which gives list of people who bought Pews at St Michael's Church in Macclesfield between 1670 and 1767 . I know this is out of your time frame but there are a few Swindell names mentioned.

Great link, Gasser - Sue, even better news is that there are a quite a few Mottersheads too - i.e. the surname, showing the presence of a Macclesfield based family. I've got my fingers crossed for you. :)

[MythicalMarian]

Hello again, Sue - so that we won't be accused of advertising, Gasser and I have got together behind the scenes to direct you Here (http://www.fivenine.co.uk/family_history_notebook/index.html) for all things Swindells and Mottershead in Macclesfield and environs. Good Hunting.

ETA: I see this link is not working. We will be back, Sue.... Hopefully will work now.

Yep - it's working - sorry guys and gals - I've had a stressful week....

[suz.h]

thank you for that marian 3 mottershead swindells to good to be true will have to make time to check st michaels parish records at macc library as i need to double confirm that john swindells mother is jemima booth as i am uable to find his christening yet.

[suz.h]

pps also on mottershead the elders will he leaves a propery to his eldest son mottershead on barn street and to peter he leaves the mermaid pub on barn street have since found out barn street changed name to derby st, peter is in 1828-1829 piggots directory at mermaid pub derby street on 1841-1871census mottershead 3rd lives at 72 derby street do you think this is a good connection.|5cups|

[suz.h]

Hello everyone i have now recieved the will for peter swindells he leaves propery,goods and a single grave in the parochial chapel where his father is buried to mottershead swindells. He leaves to mary ann rix his daughter property,goods and share in a double grave in the parochial chapel. He leaves to his daughter in law martha swindells widow of george peter swindells propery,money and share in said double grave. He also leaves to mary ann his pew in the north side of the middle aisle at christ church. Armed with this information there is a marriage 04/12/1768 mottram-in-longdendale of peter swindells and mary bretland, christening 11/06/1781 george swindells, christening william swindells 16/05/1779 & christening samuel swindells 15/04/1785 all in mottram-in-logdendale. their is a marriage registered of george peter swindels and martha shatwell at cheadle stockport more records to check and keep me busy.