1871 look up please Bowers

[carol49983]

I am new to this family search so please can i have help in a 1871 look up for my gt grand father Thomas bowers born 1837 Ardwick lancs.i found him on the 1881 census at 17 Atkinson st stretford .he was then a sign&ticket writer. thank you in advance

[Procat]

Hi Carol49983,

In 1871 he appears as:

Source information: RG10/3990
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Folio: 119
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 80

29 Lyme Street

Ann Sykes Head Widow Age 38 Seamstress Born Manchester Lanc
Henry Sykes Son Age 14 Office Boy Born Manchester Lanc
Mary Sykes Daughter Age 3 Born Manchester Lanc
Thomas Bowers Brother Married Age 34 Ticket Writer Born Manchester Lanc
Theodore Storleant Boarder Unmarried Age 16 Stationers Assistant Born London
John Horne Lodger Unmarried, Age 21 Solicitors Clerk Born Bennington Middlesex

I can email the image if you wish,

[carol49983]

Hi Procat.
Thank you for finding my Gt Grand father Thomas bowers.So it says thomas is married i wonder if his wife was Phoebe.which he was with in 1881 and 1891?Yes please i would love to see the image of the 1871 census.Thank you once again for your help!!

[Procat]

HI Carol49983,

I had a look for Phoebe Bowers in the 1871 with a birthplace of Ormskirk and can not find her.

The 1871 on Ancestry is still missing entries though so she may still turn up.

[carol49983]

Hi procat.
ThanK you for looking up phoebe in the 1871 census.phoebe maiden name was culshaw.born 1852 Burscough ormskirk.father Henry culshaw.mother Ann culshaw nee Dawson.
I am still trying to find the parents of Thomas bowers born 1837 Ardwick lancs.do you think they would be with him on the 1861 census?just a guess.thanks once again .

[Procat]

Hi Carol49983,

I have checked for Phoebe under her maiden name and can not find her.

Do you have a year of birth for her father Henry or possible siblings for her?

Can't help you with the 1861 census I am afraid.

[carol49983]

Hi Procat.
This is phoebe culshaw's family

in the 1881 census martin mere scarisbrick burscough .i found Henry culshaw born 1826 Rufford lancs.Ag labour.
wife Ann culshaw born 1828 Rufford lancs.
Adam culshaw son.born 1857 burscough lancs
Jane culshaw dau born 1860 burscough lancs
susan culshaw dau born 1862 burscough lancs
Thomas H culshaw. grandson. born 1880 burscough lancs.

I have been searching for years for the marriage of Phoebe culshaw to Thomas Bowers.there first child born Charles Henry bowers 28 August 1874
martinmere burscough ormskirk lancs.with no luck so far.
thanks once again carol

[Procat]

Hi Carol,

I have the parents in 1871 but not Phoebe:

Source information: RG10/3878
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Scarisbrick
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Folio: 120
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 58

Civil parish: Burscaugh
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Martin Mere

Henry Culshaw Head Married 45 Ag Lab Born Rufford Lancashire
Ann Culshaw Wife Married 43 Born Rufford Lancashire
Jane Culshaw Daughter 11 Born Burscough Lancashire
Susan Culshaw Daughter 8 Born Burscough Lancashire

I can email image if you wish.

[uksearch]

RG 9 2877 folio 24
Sidney St C on M
Humphrey SYKES..H..M..52..Retired Cap Maker..Yorkshire
Ann..W..M..55..YKS
Jane ..D..U..28..Dressmaker..YKS
Joseph..S..U..24..Ironmonger..Bury
Benjamin..S..U..20..Draper..Manchester..
Mary Ann..D..14..Bury

Maybe Joseph or Benjamin married Ann BOWERS...I've had a look through most of the local PRs for a marriage but there is no sign of it...maybe civil??

UK

[carol49983]

Hi Procat.
Thank you for finding my culshaw family.pity my gt grand mother phoebe bowers /culshaw was not with them.she must have done a despairing act.
and also to uk.........I'm a little confused uk.Ann sykes nee bowers was on the 1871 census born manchester lanc....on the 1861 census ann was born yks? and i'm i right in saying that W M beside her name stands for wife .married? like Humphrey sykes says H M? husband married?

I need help with a probleam that i don't know where to turn next?? my mothers father was............
george Joseph Oxley.my grand father steel furnace man..i have no date of birth only a photo of him in army uniform.i was told he died around 1939 before ww2 and buried in city road cemetery sheffield yorkshire.my grand mother who died around the same time!!



next is my half sister jean wants to find out about her mother and family.jean was only about 9 yrs at the time her mum died in 1919/20[my dad was married 2 times]on my dad mrr cert to jeans mum .........Ethel mcdonald born 1919/20 father charles martin mcdonald deceased [marine fire man]marr richard bowers 1938..how can i find my grand father also my sister find hers with no date of birth??? jean was told her mother was scottish.so can anyone help me find them.thanks carol

[Procat]

Hi Carol,

Do you want a copy of the 1871 census image?

You could get the marriage certificate of your grandfather and grandmother as this should give their ages. Have you tried Free BMD to find the details. If not there you may have to work through the GRO indexes.

If born pre 1901 the census would pick them up but difficult without more information.

[carol49983]

Hi Procat.
My Grandmother was Ann Badger born 1874 sheffield.her father was Walter badger and catherine nee sanderson.Ann married Samuel Ernest Bisby born 1873. on 23 april 1892 sheffield. they had 5 children.one i know of was Emily bisby born 1893.and married william walker and went to live in Footscray victoria Australia.Emily died 1981.I have searched for the death of samuel e bisby.on free Bmd. with no luck.i thought if i could find his death.then i would have a date to go on when ann was free to marry my grandfather george j oxley.[if they ever was ?] well thanks for all your help.

if you mean the 1871 census image for george j oxley[sheffield] or charles m mcdonald.[lancs.]yes please!!


also can i ask you.......if my sister sent away for her mothers death cert.would it give her date of birth? she died 1949

[Procat]

Hi Carol 49983

I think 1871 may be a couple of decades too early for Oxley and McDonald.

The death certificate will not give a date of birth but will usually give an age. Keep in mind that the information was provided in the best circumstances by next of kin who knew the facts and in the worst circumstance by a hospital employee, doctor etc who knew none of the facts.

[carol49983]

Hi Procat.

Thankyou for your help in finding my ant Ann Sykes nee Bowers.born 1833 lancs...with the info you found for me.I searched for her marriage.........and guess what i came up with.....Ann Bowers married Walter George Sykes 16 oct 1855.manchester cathedral lancs.then i searched for walter's birth.found.he was christened on 21 feb 1832.manchester.father Henry & mary Ann sykes.I still can not find Ann bowers christening or her bother Thomas bowers 1837.
any way thanks you..........cheers carol

[Procat]

Hi Carol,

Glad my information got it moving for you. Good luck with your researching.