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maesglas/ssclub
06-05-2009, 11:29 AM
Hi can anyone help
I am trying to find out anything at all about my fathers half sister
Gladys Ruby Butcher born Bedminster 1894 then on the 1901 census living in Newport Monmouthshire Baldwin Street, I have trace her on a passenger list 3rd August 1906 leaving Liverpool for Qubec canada on a ship called Tunisian, under I think Dr Barnados, I have failed to find out any more information on her, but have discovered that her brother Randolph Butcher who was also sent to canada, same year but on different ship, died december the same year (1906), I have also failed to find anything about their father George Arthur Butcher who after the 1901 census seems to disappear altogether.

Mary Anne
06-05-2009, 3:13 PM
maesglas/ssclub

Here is Gladys arriving on the Tunisian at Montreal from Liverpool (Film#T-487):

Gladys Butcher, age 11.
'Mr. Merry's party...of Children. Destination Stratford Ont.'

And Randolph came on the Dominion from Liverpool to Montreal, arriving on 11 August 1906. Destination given as Toronto, Ont, and 'Dr. Barnardo's Party' written up the side of the page.

See the British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa website for databases and contact information. You can send a query to 'queries' at 'bifhsgo' dot 'ca'. We can refer your query to someone who is an expert in these records. He can likely tell you more about whether Gladys also came with Barnardo's or another organization and possibly about the homes in Stratford and Toronto. He can also give you guidance about how to apply to Barnardos' for the files.


Mary Anne

susan-y
07-05-2009, 12:43 AM
maesglas/ssclub--Hi!

Did George Arthur have a brother Frank?

I found a Gladys Butcher in Perth county ( Stratford) on the 1911 census.right age, born in England, but she is listed as the daughter of Frank Butcher. I am wondering if she was sent to live with family after something happened to her father or perhaps he was in the army? The census is mis-transcribed and says she was born in Ontario, but when you look at the original it says England for her birth place.

Just an idea...

Sue

Ps... I could be mistaken as the transcriber says Ontario for the father in this case, but I believe it is ditto marks and not "O" for Ontario in the place of birth as they have written it out for anyone born elsewhere.

AdeleE
07-05-2009, 1:50 AM
Darn, the Gladys Butcher in St. Mary's, Perth county on the 1911 census is the perfect age and the right location, but she was also there in 1901, so she can't be the Gladys we're looking for who immigrated to Canada in 1906.

Here she is on the 1911 census page:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=135815&highlight=37

and the 1901 census page:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=100829&highlight=49

Gladys got off the boat & seems to have disappeared!

Adele

maesglas/ssclub
07-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Thank every one for your help
I know there was not any brothers by the name of Frank Butcher and that Gladys appears on the 1901 census residing in Newport Monmouthshire Wales, is Mary Anne offering to pass on the information to an expert to see if he could find out any more than I allready know ?, if so that would be wonderful and very much appreciated, I have forms from Dr Barnado,s but I have a brother who is unsure whether he wants to know the truth, just in case its a bit unsavoury, he was practically brought up by Nan (Gladys mother) and is afraid that something terrible happened, but I need to know the truth and can handle it what ever the truth might be, but I might have to keep it from my bother.

Many thanks
Robert.

Mary Anne
07-05-2009, 3:34 PM
Robert

Indeed I am. I am president of the British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, and we have a couple of members who have done, and continue to do, a lot of work on home children sent by various organizations. They are working for the most part with materials held by Library and Archives Canada. See our website at the address I gave you, where there are a couple databases and lots of links to other info. Our expert could point you to additional information that may be available in other places than the Barnardo's files.

The Barnardo's material can only be obtained by application to that organization, since they deem the records they hold to be 'private'. It is, IMHO, well worth asking for the file, since it can contain a great deal of information about the child and its experiences. Although some children may have had a bad time, many did not, and had caring families who looked after them well, educating and supporting them. The organizations also very often continued to monitor the homes where they were sent and removed children from homes where they were unhappy.

It seems to me that if Gladys and Randolph's father had died, and their mother felt she could not support them, she must have thought she was doing the best thing for them by sending them to Canada. Many, many home children went on to become successful adults in Canada, having been given an opportunity in a new country.

Good Luck


Mary Anne

maesglas/ssclub
07-05-2009, 6:06 PM
Thanks very very much Mary anne

do you need any more information from me or permission to do it on my behalf, what ever I need to do I will do, I am on my computer at least a few times a day as I retired from work early (almost 60) on health grounds.

Again I cant thank you enough, if its at all possible to fill in the blanks.

Robert Purnell

Wirral
07-05-2009, 7:50 PM
On the UK Incoming Passenger lists, there are these entries:

Arriving in Liverpool on 29 Aug 1958 on the "Sylvania" from Montreal -
BUTCHER Gladys, female, born 27/4/94, single, residence 39 Beaconsfield Terr, Northampton, Home duties, last permanent place of residence Canada, intended permanent residence UK.

Arriving in Liverpool on 25 May 1954 on the "Empress of Scotland" from Montreal -
BUTCHER Gladys, 60, 33 Beaconsfield Road, Northampton, housewife.

There are 2 Gladys BUTCHERs born about that date. One is Gladys Ruby BUTCHER born June quarter 1894 Bedminster 5c 680, the other is Gladys Annie BUTCHER born September quarter 1894 Islington 1b 240.

Ron Lankshear
07-05-2009, 7:59 PM
Young Immigrants to Canada (Including Juveniles and Home Children) (http://www.dcs.uwaterloo.ca/%7Emarj/genealogy/homeadd.html)

Do contact the Home concerned they will have records I am sure.

maesglas/ssclub
08-05-2009, 8:43 AM
Thanks once again,

I think you have found who I am looking for Gladys Ruby Butcher born Bedminster 2nd quarter 1894, so the passenger on the 29th August 1958 must I think be her, how sad to see she is still single, but perhaps thats what she wanted, to make doubley sure I will have to get a copy of her birth certificate.

Could you tell me how you looked it up, thanks again.
Robert Purnell
P.S I am going to a look at new sites that have been suggested.

Wirral
08-05-2009, 9:13 AM
I think you have found who I am looking for Gladys Ruby Butcher born Bedminster 2nd quarter 1894, so the passenger on the 29th August 1958 must I think be her, how sad to see she is still single, but perhaps thats what she wanted, to make doubley sure I will have to get a copy of her birth certificate.

Could you tell me how you looked it up, thanks again.


The birth should have been registered within 6 weeks, so it does look more likely to be Gladys Ruby rather than Gladys Annie. However, late registrations were not that uncommon, so it could still be Gladys Annie. Getting the birth certificate of Gladys Ruby is the wisest course.

If it is the correct person, then for a woman born in 1894 to stay single all her life would not be that unusual. She would only have been 20 when the 1st WW broke out. Many lost their sweethearts & fiances. With the loss of so many young men of that generation, many women lost the chance of marrying.

I found the information on Ancestry.

Sue Mackay
08-05-2009, 9:22 AM
Although our Canadian experts have found this thread and produced useful answers, I have moved it from the Brit-Gen Discussion Forum to the Canadian Forum so that it will be easier for people interested in this topic to find it.

maesglas/ssclub
26-05-2009, 8:13 PM
Hi Wirral
I have been waiting news after mailing the people that Mary Anne suggested
any idea how long it takes, cant stand the suspense
Robert.

AdeleE
15-06-2009, 4:37 PM
Thanks once again,

I think you have found who I am looking for Gladys Ruby Butcher born Bedminster 2nd quarter 1894, so the passenger on the 29th August 1958 must I think be her, how sad to see she is still single, but perhaps thats what she wanted, to make doubley sure I will have to get a copy of her birth certificate.



Were you able to obtain this birth record, to confirm that this was your Gladys Butcher?

Adele

maesglas/ssclub
15-06-2009, 8:04 PM
Hi Adel
Still waiting for certificate, and for info back from canada via Mary-Anne, although I have added another two children to the list.
Robert

Lynda Marie
19-06-2009, 12:53 AM
maesglas/ssclub

Here is Gladys arriving on the Tunisian at Montreal from Liverpool (Film#T-487):

Gladys Butcher, age 11.
'Mr. Merry's party...of Children. Destination Stratford Ont.


Mr. Merry accompanied children sent out under the auspices of Annie MacPherson, to the home in Stratford that she ran. My ancestors came to Canada under her care and were taken to Stratford.

The MacPherson records are in the care of Barnardo's and are not as complete as I understand the actual Barnardo files are. You can send an email to the Barnardo folks and they will send you the documents via email that you need to complete to get the information. You have to prove that you are the nearest living direct descendant and pay a fee for the service.

Lynda

maesglas/ssclub
19-06-2009, 9:38 AM
Hi Lynda Marie

Thank for the advice, but I already have these forms, I did contact them and about a week or so later they sent me the forms.

My problem now is that my older brother is the person who would have to sign the forms, and as yet he has not made up his mind if he will sign or not.

First, he is of a very nervous disposition, Second, he lived with our nan for quite a few years (my nan is these childrens mother) and was so well looked after by her, he would hate to find out anything that might put my nan in a bad light, if you know what I mean.

He is at the moment, thinking only the worse, and I am trying find out bits and bobs that might convince him otherwise, I think they just fell on hard times and I have been unable to trace anything about the childrens father George Arthur Butcher, was he killed, died, or perhaps done a bunk, all I can do for now is to keep searching and hope I can find information that will some how convince my brother.
Thank you once again
Robert Purnell.

maesglas/ssclub
26-06-2009, 4:01 PM
Hi again Lynda Marie

I have today, finally got the cert for Gladys Ruby Butcher, I had applied to the wrong registry office and it was sent back to me, so I sent off again on Tuesday and just recieved it, d.o.b 6th may 1894, so this will not match up with the incoming passenger Gladys Butcher Apr 1894, in 1958.
But as there were only two born of this name in that year I find it hard to believe its the other one, july,Aug, Sep, quarter 1894, unless it was very late,? two months late?, back to square one.

On a happier note I did find out what happened to Millicent Butcher born 1901 and have decided to put this in a new thread and hope it creates some more interest and give some hope to others looking and hoping for good news.
Robert.

maesglas/ssclub
26-06-2009, 4:43 PM
Hi every one
I recently discovered that my nan had another child whilst searching the poor records of the Newport Union, her name Millicent Butcher born Newport Wales 1901, she was the last of four children all of whom I believe ended up as British Home Children sent to Canada, I have found out some information about two of the other three (see my other posts).

Millicent was sent to Canada in 1912 aged 11 years, Edward Kenneth Leach born Scotland February 6th 1897 was sent to Canada 1914 aged 17 years.

You guessed it, they married in St Catherines Canada 1923 and then moved to America, Buffalo New York and on the 1930 Census they have two sons Ernie aged 5 years last birthday and thomas aged 2 years last bithday, they own their own house (estimated value $9,000 ) he is a carpenter/builder and works for himself and live in Chicargo.

Only down thing is, the last son died 2007, would have loved to contact him.

So its not all bad news, my eyes are filling up so I cant type much more, but whoopee|jumphappy) |jumphappy)
Robert Purnell
and as for the others, my search goes on ever more hopeful.

Squaredancer
27-06-2009, 1:43 AM
My problem now is that my older brother is the person who would have to sign the forms, and as yet he has not made up his mind if he will sign or not.

Just wondering - would he be willing to sign the forms, and just hand the reply over to you, unopened, when it arrives, so that he doesn't have to see any information if he doesn't want to? And who knows, there mightn't be anything to be worried about! :)

maesglas/ssclub
27-06-2009, 12:12 PM
Hi Squaredancer
I wish he would, I speak to my brother at least a few times a week by phone, and although he asks me about the research I am doing and he seems very interested, he never mentions these forms, I might have one last throw of the dice and see what happens, I am still hopeful Mr Sayer through Mary-Anne will find out something, anything, I need to know ?.|bowdown|
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