Tindall - teacher in Winnipeg

[liza99]

Hello everybody

I am hoping for some help in finding out about my mother's cousin Frank Tindall who emigrated to Canada & became a teacher in Winnipeg Manitoba.

I do not know when he emigrated or if he had a family. I met him once when he was on a visit back home around 1959-61 ( I was about 7 or 8). The last address my mother had for him is 405-15 Cornish Avenue, Winnipeg 1, though I do seem to remember that he earlier had a Tuxedo address.

Working on the time of the visit back home I found a record for a Frank Tindall arrived Southampton 12/7/1960 from Montreal, occupation teacher, visitor to UK for 2 months, born 10/8/1911, age 48. This ought to be him, but I can't find a matching birth record on BMD indexes to confirm.

My mother thought his father was Robert Edgar Tindall born around August 1884 East Heslerton, Malton, Yorkshire, who had a brother Frank Hornsey Tindall born around February 1882 same place. Both were blacksmiths last seen on 1901 census in East Heslerton. I can't find a marriage for either.
I am wondering if they emigrated too and Frank was therefore born in USA or Canada.

I would appreciate anything anyone can find out.
Best wishes,
Liza

[BeeJay]

Hi Liza,

This looks like the family in the 1916 census:
Peters Ave., Oxbow, Saskatchewan
Tindall Robert Ed, age 32, born Yorkshire, England, immigrated in 1908, blacksmith
Elizabeth, age 38, born Lancashire, England, immigrated in 1908
Frank Irwin, age 4, born Brandon, Manitoba
William Arthur, age 3, born Manitoba
Nora Ellen, age 9/12, born Manitoba

I can send you the image if you’d like.
I’ll look for them in the 1911 census and on passenger lists too.

:)

[BeeJay]

There's a possible marriage for Frank's parents on the Manitoba Vital Statistics index:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca//

Robert Edar TINDALL married Elizabeth GALLOWEY
17 Jan 1910, Whitewater, Manitoba

[v.wells]

There are no listings for Frank Tindall in Winnipeg, but there is one in Ontario - I have just re-read your post and of course your Frank would not be alive now. but there may be a record of any bmd on the above link at http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca. Canadian directory lookup is canada411.ca

[v.wells]

Frank Tindall was at 15 Cornish Ave, Winnipeg in 1995. Check vital stats for a death sometime after that. There is also an obit for another Tindall in Winnipeg in 2007 who could possibly be another relative:

DOUGLAS WILBUR TINDALL (published on July 07, 2007)

DOUGLAS WILBUR TINDALL On Monday, July 2, 2007, Douglas died at the St. Boniface Hospital at the age of 66 years. No formal funeral service will be held. WOJCIK'S ALL BELIEFS FAITHS FUNERAL CHAPEL CREMATORIUM FAMILY OWNED OPERATED 897 4665

[Nicolina]

If you can confirm the Yorkshire connection I may be able to help you. I have some Tindalls in my tree back to about 1800.

[BeeJay]

Frank's parents were living in Souris DIstrict, Manitoba in 1911:
Tindle Robert, age 27, born England, immigrated in 1905
Tindle Elizabeth, age 31, born England, immigrated in 1907 (or possibly 1909)

The census records are available free here:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/

There's a possible obituary for Frank in the Winnipeg Free Press in 1997. Perhaps someone else has access to the Newspaper Archives, but if not I can look it up when I'm at the library on the weekend.

:)

[liza99]

Hi Beejay & Vanessa

Thank you both so much for replying with all this info & the reference websites. I'll check them out.

What can I say Beejay! You found him - and his dad Robert Edgar too. That's absolutely brilliant! No wonder I couldn't find Frank's birth & Robert's marriage in England!

It's definitely the right people. My mother also thought Frank may have had a sister Nora but couldn't be sure - and there she is!

Presumably I can try and follow the children up for marriages etc on the vitalstats site, and then look up directories for addresses. I'm not very sure what I can realistically expect to be able to find, this being my first 'visit' to Canadian genealogy resources.

Anything else you might come across is much appreciated. Thanks again for your help.
Best wishes
Liza

[liza99]

Hi Nicolina

Thanks for replying. I can confirm the Yorkshire connection.

Robert Edgar Tindall's father was George Tindall born 1847/8 West Ayton, married Ellen Hornsey. His father was Thomas Tindall born 1814/5 Cayton, married Jane Rymer. His father was Thomas Tindall born 1790 Cayton, married Magdalen Robinson. Beyond this I cannot get.

Robert Edgar's brother Frederick William Tindall was my grandfather.

Do you have any of these in your tree?

Perhaps it would be best to switch to the Yorkshire - North Riding board for further communication.

Regards
Liza

[liza99]

Hi Beejay & V.Wells

Been checking out the links you gave me.

Found addresses for 4 Tindalls currently living in Winnipeg off canada411.ca.

1911 census was on the automatedgenealogy.com link, but not 1916 census.

Total confusion with the vitalstats! It only seems to let you access records from more than 70-100 years ago. So how do I find out more recent info? Or am I missing something?

Are there records which record actual immigration &/or ship passenger records? I would like to find out if anybody came over to Canada with Robert Edgar Tindall, i.e. his brother Frank Hornsey Tindall. There is also a sister Elizabeth married to Arthur Thomas Drinkall in 1901 in Yorkshire who are not on 1911 census.

Help/clarification most appreciated.
Regards
Liza

[Mary Anne]

Liza

Here they are on the 1916 census, in Oxbow, Saskatchewan (Assiniboia) District 16, Sub-district 10:

Tindall, Robert Ed, Peters Ave., Married, 32, Born: Yorkshire, England, Immigrated 1903, Blacksmith, working in town;
Tindall, Elizabeth, Married, 38, Born: Lancashire, England, Immigrated 1908;
Tindall, Frank Irwin, 4, Born: Brandon, Manitoba;
Tindall, William Arthur, 3, Born: Manitoba;
Tindall, Nora Ellen, 9 mos, Born: Manitoba

(Microfilm T-21935, p. 16, family 146)

For some weird reason, all of them are indexed as 'GINDALL', except for Frank who is properly indexed as 'Tindall'.

Looking on the Manitoba Vitals Statistics database, there is no Tindall birth that turns up when I searched Manitoba as a whole for any birthdate after 1911. Strange. If you go to the Manitoba Vital Statistics site (Google the phrase 'Manitoba Vital Statistics'), you can print a form where you can order a certificate without a reference beyond the year and they will search it for you for a fee. It may be on the database but the name mistranscribed - although it seems odd that would apply to the births of all three children...

Regarding access to the vital statistics records: most provinces will not allow access until a certain amount of time has passed (B.C. seems to be an exception as regards deaths). For Manitoba, the cutoffs are: Births not until 100 years have passed, Marriages 80 years, Deaths 70 years.

So, you likely will not be able to get Frank's death unless you can prove you are next of kin or have authorization of next of kin to be given it. If you're looking for a marriage for him that occurred after about 1929, you likely won't find that either. Read their bumf - it explains what they require.

HOWEVER, I DID find the marriage of Robert Ed(g)ar Tindall and Elizabeth Gallowey in Whitewater, Manitoba, on 17 January 1910. The Reg# is 1900,001709 in case you want to order it.

I did check passenger lists and could not find any likely looking Robert. There is one who comes on the Corinthian via Montreal, destination Winnipeg, but he is listed as a labourer, born in Northumberland and age 21 (i.e. BD 1882), so he doesn't quite fit.

Next step for me would be newspapers, if anyone has access to those (I don't).


Mary Anne

[Nicolina]

WILLIAM TINDALL abt. 1786 married Mary Thompson, abt. 1796 on 13th July 1809 in Scalby, Yorkshire.
They had about 15 kids!!!!!!
GEORGE & JOHN christened 26th Jul 1811
RICHARD christened on 6th February 1813
ELIZABETH christened 18 Nov 1814, married John MENNELL on 24 Dec 1836
MARY christened 9th October 1816
WILLIAM christened 5 Jul 1818
PRISCILLA christened 6th January 1822, married Francis JOHNSON (more to follow)
ANN christened on 20th March 1823
JOHN christened 18th December 1824
JANE christened 8th October 1826
RACHEL TINDALL christened 17th August 1828
SARAH ANNE christened 9th April 1830
SAMUEL christened 22nd February 1833
JOSEPH christened 3rd July 1835
JACOB christened 3rd March 1837
(all in Scalby)

on the 1841 Census:
HO1071261/10/5 Page 2
East Street, Scalby
TINDLE, William abt. 1786
TINDLE, Mary abt. 1796
TINDLE, Thompson abt. 1811
TINDLE, William abt. 1821
TINDLE, Priscilla abt. 1826
TINDLE, Sarah abt. 1831
TINDLE, Samuel abt. 1833
TINDLE, Joseph abt. 1835
TINDLE, Jacob abt. 1837
BUTLER, James abt. 1821

I do not know who Thompson is, unless he's the first John.

[Nicolina]

PRISCILLA & FRANCIS JOHNSON had:
JOHN WILLIAM JOHNSON. born 17th November 1851 in Scarborough, married Emma Cartwright, daughter of George CARTWRIGHT & Ellen ELLIOT(T), in 1873 in Scarborough R.D. [1]. Census 1891 in 22, Ewart St., Scarborough. Occupation 1891 in Railway Engine Driver. He died on 9th September 1921 in Scarborough.

FRANK JOHNSON born abt. 1866 in Scarborough. He married Mary Moody. In 1890 in Scarborough R.D.. Occupation 1901 in Railway Engine Fireman.

I do have more on these because Emma CARTWRIGHT was my Great Grandfather's sister.

[Nicolina]

I've just re-read your Tindalls and notice that (as yet) they don't fit with mine. However there is a chance.
Thomas TINDALL born 1790 was the son of George & Mary. Possibly George TINDALL & Mary HODGSON who married in Crambe, Yorkshire on 16th November 1789 or George TINDALL & Mary YEOMANS, who married in Scalby December.

There is every possibilty that our families are related. My William's parents were also George & Mary and there is a William christened in Scalby 6 April 1783 to George & Mary (pointing to Mary YEOMANS)

I'll keep digging (after I've had some strong black coffee)

[liza99]

Hi Mary Anne

Thanks very much for your help.

I'll see if I can find newspapers online. I'll also try a few genealogy help sites, you never know some of these Tindalls may be looking for their relatives back in the UK!

Another option might be memorial inscriptions. Can anyone point me to an online site for these which covers Winnipeg? And perhaps I should also try Oxbow, Saskatchewan.

Best wishes
Liza

[liza99]

Hi Nicolina

Thanks for all the Tindall info. What a big family your William had!

The only name I've come across is Hodgson and not Mary. It's on another branch of the tree, though I think the general area is the same.

It looks like you're getting close to a connection. Hope you find one.
I'll wait with interest.

Regards
Liza

[BeeJay]

Hi Liza,

The 1916 census, as far as I know, is only available on Ancestry or on microfilm from Library and Archives Canada. For awhile it was on the Family Search pilot site but for some reason not anymore. Ship passenger lists are available on Ancestry and FindMyPast. They're also free on the Library and Archives Canada website but not indexed and not searchable.

There are Manitoba cemetery transcriptions here:
http://www.mbgenealogy.com/index.php?page=cemetery-transcriptions

Frank Tindall died in December 1997. The Newspaper Archives are available online for a fee - I sent you a pm about them. You might find obits for other family members too.

Good luck!

:)

[Mary Anne]

Hi Liza,

The 1916 census, as far as I know, is only available on Ancestry or on microfilm from Library and Archives Canada. For awhile it was on the Family Search pilot site but for some reason not anymore. Ship passenger lists are available on Ancestry and FindMyPast. They're also free on the Library and Archives Canada website but not indexed and not searchable
:)

BeeJay -- I found Robert Edgar and family on the 1916 on Ancestry and have transcribed it for Liza -- see above.......they are in Oxbow, Saskatchewan........


For the burials you might try the Saskatchewan Cemetery and Burial Index,,, http://www.saskgenealogy.com/general/Cemetery_Webpage.htm
I cannot get the links to work for the search ----- you might want to contact them...

Mary Anne

[BeeJay]

Hi Mary Anne,

My first post above gave Liza the info from the 1916 census, but I think she was wondering why it wasn't on Automated Genealogy with the rest of the censuses. :confused: :)

[liza99]

Hi BeeJay

Thanks for the info. I'll check the cemetery link out.
I only found Frank's 1960 visit to England on immigration/emmigration/ships lists on ancestry when I looked, so maybe there are lots of records they don't have.

I've replied to your pm. Thanks again.
Liza

[Mary Anne]

BeeJay

What can I say -- DUH!|oopsredfa

[JayD]

Frank Irwin Tindall is buried in the Riverside Cemetery in Dauphin, Manitoba. I can send you the obit if you like.

Jay

[Nicolina]

I can have a look on FMP for you but so many of them do not give the Christian names, sometimes not even a first initial.

[JayD]

MR. AND MRS. ROBERT E. TINDALL of
4th Avenue, N.E., Dauphin, Man., will celebrate
their golden wedding anniversary on Mrs.
Tindall's birthday, Sunday. Mr. Tindall came to
Canada from England in 1905 and Mrs. Tindall
in 1907. They were married Jan. 17, 1910 at
Minto, Man., by Rev. R. G. Martin, and took
up- residence at Margaret, Man. From 1916 to
1919 they made their home at Sinclair, Man.,
moving from there to Kelwood, -Man., in 1947
where, they lived until Mr. Tindall's retirement
in 1957. Since then they have resided in Dauphin.

Mr. Tindall followed the trade of his father
and grandfather and was a blacksmith all his
life. Mr. and Mrs. Tindall have three children,

Frank of Winnipeg, Art of Vancouver and Mrs.
Frank Scott (Nora) of Port Alberni, B.C. There
are five grandchildren.

Jay

[v.wells]

Good job JayD! Where did you find it and what is the date of the excerpt?

[JayD]

Jan 15th, 1960. I have a Free Press archive subscription.

It got a little chilly outside so I found the obit (sorry, I can never spell the full word right) for Robert Tindall, Frank, William Arthur, Meta (Frank's Wife), and so far the wedding for William (known as Art). I am still looking for Franks wedding before I have to cook supper.

I have saved them as .pdf so if liza99 is interested I can email them to her.

Jay

[liza99]

Hi JayD

Been busy & not checked the posts for a couple of days.

Thank you for this golden wedding anniv. for Frank. That's great!

I have been in touch with BeeJay by PM & she has emailed me some obits.
I have Frank's from 1997, Robert's from 1972 & William Arthur's from 1968. Also Mrs. Frank's (Meta) obit from 1951, plus an engagement announcement for William to Margaret West 1941.

I don't have any wedding notices, so William's, & Frank's if you find it, would be most welcome.

I'm quite impressed with the detail in the notices - lots of useful information which will enable me to draw up quite an accurate tree for them.

Thank you very much for your efforts on my behalf.
I'll send you my email address in a PM.

Best wishes
Liza

[liza99]

I've now had chance to have a good look at the obits BeeJay sent me.

At the time of Frank's death Dec 4, 1997 he was survived by the following (he had no children of his own):-

Sister Norah Scott (husband Frank Scott)
Nephew Bob (Robert?) Scott (wife Peggy)
Nephew Jim (James?) Scott
Niece Maureen Grears (nee Scott) (husband Doug Grears)
All were living in Port Alberni B.C. in 1997

Sons of William Arthur Tindall, who died Oct 1968:-
Nephew Richard or 'Dick' Tindall (wife Jenny), in Nanoose Bay B.C. in 1997
Nephew Douglas Tindall (wife Carol), in Langley B.C. in 1997

William Arthur's wife Margaret was alive at Robert Edgar Tindall's death in 1972 so must have died between 1972 & 1997. In 1972 Margaret was living in Vancouver B.C.

The Douglas Wilbur Tindall death you found in Winnipeg, V.Wells, could just be William Arthur's son Douglas, if he moved to Winnipeg from Langley B.C. that is.
Is there more detail in that obit to compare with these details?

From Robert Edgar Tindall's obit his wife Elizabeth (nee Galloway) died 1967 in Dauphin.

I would appreciate anything else that can be found out from this information, but please do not go to a lot of trouble.

Thank you all again for the help you are giving me.

Liza

[liza99]

Hi JayD

Many thanks for the wedding notice for William Arthur Tindall & Margaret West. That's great, & I managed to print it out just fine.

Regards
Liza