HAYLOCK family - ideas needed

[mary elms]

I've been tracing this family back through the records of Carbrooke (Norfolk) & the surrounding parishes for a number of years now only to come to a complete stop at the marriage of

Joseph HAYLOCK & Elizabeth BROOKE in 1778

before which the family completely vanishes from the records.

I suspect that they may actually originate from Cambridgeshire and that what I've been following is one of their more easterly branches. But I find myself stumped as to how to begin to search for a link.

Anyone got any ideas?

[Geoffers]

I've been tracing this family back through the records of Carbrooke (Norfolk) & the surrounding parishes for a number of years now only to come to a complete stop at the marriage of
Joseph HAYLOCK & Elizabeth BROOKE in 1778
before which the family completely vanishes from the records.
Did the couple marry by licence or banns? Does the marriage register gives any clues or are they both 'otp' - were either of them widowed? Were the witnesses related?

Have you tried searching the Land Tax Returns 1798 (transcribed and indexed for the NFHS) to get an idea of the spread of the surnames in the parishes around Carbrooke? Although 70 years later, you might try something similar with the 1851 census which shows 51 Haylock/Heylock entries born in Norfolk - is the small cluster born Mundford related?

Geoffers

[mary elms]

Thanks for the ideas Geoffers - I will certainly have a look at the land tax returns and another look at the 1851 census.

Joseph & Elizabeth were both single and otp and were married by license on the 16th June 1778. The witnesses, Thomas Reynolds & John Little aren't obviously related but certainly worth looking into further. Thanks again.

Mary.

[Geoffers]

Joseph & Elizabeth were both single and otp and were married by license on the 16th June 1778. The witnesses, Thomas Reynolds & John Little aren't obviously related but certainly worth looking into further. Thanks again.
Marriage by licence is interesting - have you checked to see who was the bondsman?

Geoffers

[mary elms]

No I haven't. I remember thinking "Now why did they do that?" when I first saw it (seems a long time ago now) and then I got busy with something else and it slipped out of my mind. Thanks for the reminder!!!!

Also, I see what you mean about Mundford. There's a cluster in 1841 too. It will be interesting to follow them through and see if there's a link - even if there isn't one. It's the people that interest me, not names in a database, so I shall enjoy that.

Mary.

[Geoffers]

You might also check to see if there weer any HAYLOCKs admitted to copyhold lease in the parish. If they married by licence then the family may have been wealthy enough to leave wills. Lastly, you might check any militia ballots for teh area.

Geoffers

[mary elms]

Just clsoing down for bed (much overdue - got carried away with the 1871 census) and noticed your last post.

Now here's one of the interesting things about this ......... if they had money then they appear to have lost it soon afterwards. However, I do remember finding one Henry Haylock, farmer, in White's 1883 Directory for Saham Toney. Never managed to tie him in though. According to the 1881 census he was born in Essex.

Copyhold lease sounds interesting. None of my families have ever had enough money for such a thing - they tend to crowd into rented accomodation in the East End of London. How would I go about finding out about it?

[Geoffers]

Copyhold lease sounds interesting. None of my families have ever had enough money for such a thing - they tend to crowd into rented accomodation in the East End of London. How would I go about finding out about it?
Ah but rural Norfolk isn't the east end of London and you might be surprised at how many agricultural labourers had a small amount of copyhold land, passed down through the family.

You should find details of where to locate records in the Manorial Documents Register, start at The National Archives (TNA) website:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
move your cursor over 'Search other archives' and from the list select the Manorial Documents Register (MDR).

TNA has a couple of research guides which may help to describe them better than myself, go to:
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/researchguidesindex.asp
and clcik on 'M' then select anything that looks like it realtes to Manorial Documents.

Geoffers

[mary elms]

Many, many, many thanks! I now have ideas and a pile of work that will keep me out of mischief for quite some time ............. along with visiting neices and nephews ............. which reminds me I'd better go make their beds!

Thanks again,

Mary.

[Chris Trigg]

Mary

I have just come across the unusual christian name of HAYLOCK in the Ely area. A HAYLOCK WATSON FULLER was born in 1857 to WILLIAM FULLER (from Ely) and ANNA ELIZABETH WATSON (who came from Soham). I can't find any evidence but I suspect that HAYLOCK was a surname somewhere in the family (as WATSON was).

Regards

Chris

[mary elms]

Chris,

Looks likely doesn't it. I have a Co Durham family that uses names in that way too thus giving Robert White COWELL & William Redshaw COWELL as two of their children. Robert WHITE was the lad's maternal grandfather. I have yet to locate William REDSHAW. But I digress .......

I will certainly keep an eye open for any link with your Anna Elizabeth WATSON as one branch of the family was in Soham around that time.

Mary.

[Chris Trigg]

Thanks Mary!


Regards

Chris

[Tim Haylock]

Interested to read this forum. I am a direct descendent of Joseph Haylock and Elizabeth (nee Brooke). Their grandson Joseph, agr lab, b.1832, (m.1863 to Fanny) was my grandfather,s grandfather. So I've gone back a few generations to George Haylock who was Joseph (m.Elizabeth Brooke) Haylock's father. There is some uncertainty about George. I believe he died 06.04.1781 and his wife mary died 21.01.1795. Their oldest child, Kesiah was baptised 27.05.1748. I'm guessing that George was born around 1720, but I have found no further information. Their are some years missing in the Carbrooke Parish records. I am aware of some mystery surrounding my grandfather's grandparents but not really sure of what. My grandfather who died in 1998 spoke of his grandmother, Fanny who he remembers accidently flipping over backwards in her rocking chair when he was small - and the children being punished for laughing. My grandfather said he couldn't remember his grandfather.

I would appreciate any further information or help. I have only traced my family tree through the census and parish records so I am really a novice in genealogy.

Regards

Tim Haylock

[mary elms]

Hello Tim,

Great to hear from you. The HAYLOCKs are part of my husband's family. He also is a direct descendant of Joseph HAYLOCK & Elizabeth BROOKE. I only popped in quickly this evening to read the posts but I would be very interested in comparing notes. I'll have more time to put something together tommorrow evening. Your message was well timed as I'm about to pick up this branch of the family again after a break. If you'd like to send me an e-mail please do.

Mary.

[mary elms]

Hello again Tim,

It looks like we're at about the same stage in our research. I had this conversation with Geoffers almost a year ago then my sister started to write the second part to our family history and I had to down tools and do some research for her. I'm just about to pick up this line again. The first thing I was going to do was to go through the Carbrooke registers in a more leisurely manner (at home with my fiche reader which should arrive any day now!) to check that I haven't missed anything, then I was going to follow through on some of Geoffers suggestions.

Mary.

[Tim Haylock]

Mary

Here is some information on 9 generations of Haylocks including my son, Harry. I have shown my direct line as indented. There is still alot of info that I have to fill in and there may be a few errors. Hope some of this ties in with your research.


George d. 6.4.1781, married Mary d .21.1.1795

Kesiah bapt 27.5.1748
Anne bapt 17.12.1758
George bapt Jan 1756
Matthew ??
Mary bapt 6.5.1753
Joseph b. 1750, married 16.6.1778 by license to Elizabeth Brooke

Robert b. 13.6.1779
Elizabeth d. 7.1.1780 ??
Elizabeth b. 27.2.1780
George b. 28.2.1782
Elizabeth b. 14.7.1782
Elizabeth b.12.6.1783, d.27.7.1797
Joseph b.5.11.1788, bricklayer, married Mary
Barnabas d.14.8.1788 & Matthew d. 10.8.1788, (twins) b. 11.6.1788
Luke b.1790

Matthew b.1829
Joseph b.1832, agr lab, married1863 to Fanny Christina Harvey b. 1840(Fanny had 2 children before marrying Joseph, Charles b.1861 & Joseph b.1862)
Kezia b.1837, d.1915, never married, 2 children Mary Ann b.1860 & Martha b.1857

James b.1868, d.11.7.53, butcher, farmer, preacher, married Hannah Savoury
Henry b.1874
John b.1877
Ada b.1881
Martha b.1881
Frederick b.1884

Lucy
Millie
Dora
Harry b.26.12.1902, d. 4.1998, farmer, married Dorothy Wright
Reggie
Ada
Bertie
Ernest
Frederick
Ivy
James



Thanks
Tim Haylock

[mary elms]

Thanks Tim,

So am I right in reading that to say you're James (Jimmy) HAYLOCK's g grandson? The indentations don't show - the text editor cuts them out. I had a similar problem with with spaces on an index I'm doing.

My husband is Henry HAYLOCK's g grandson.

Henry HAYLOCK (born 4/2/1874) married Ruth Rebecca COOPER (born c. 1870) They had 3 children - Henry Horrace (Horrie) born 1899, Enid Blanche Audrey born 1900 & Amy Dorothy born 1906. Amy Dorothy married Frederick George MARTIN. They had one child - my mother-in-law.

She says that she remembers Jimmy HAYLOCK and that she still has contact with one member of that branch of the family.

The mystery about Joseph & Fanny couild just be the date of their marriage. Or it could be Fanny's parentage - see this thread

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6037

Or it could be the mystery child that grew up in the family - Fanny HARVEY - who appears on census returns but I haven't so far found anywhere else though I'm still looking.

Mary.

PS - I think I would edit your last post if I were you to put 'living' instead of the names for people who are still alive. This is a public forum and you don't know who's reading it. Just a thought.

[mary elms]

Ok Tim - I've had time to look through my folders. I have the following information which I would be happy type up for you -

Census Data

1841, 1851, 1861 Wright & Mary HARVEY & family incl. Fanny & Charles
1841, 1861, 1871 Jospeh & Mary HAYLOCK & family
1851, 1871 Kezia HAYLOCK & family
1841, 1851, 1871 Luke & Ann HAYLOCK
1861 Mary Ann HARVEY
1871, 1891, 1901 Jospeh & Fanny HAYLOCK & family
1901 Henry & Ruth HAYLOCK
1901 John & Florence HAYLOCK
1901 Robert & Mary Ann HAYLOCK

Certificates

Birth 1840 Fanny Chritiana HARVEY
Birth 1843 Charles Edwards HARVEY
Birth 1862 Joseph HARVEY
Marriage 1863 Jospeh HAYLOCK & Fanny HARVEY
Birth 1874 Henry HAYLOCK
Death 1893 Frederick George HAYLOCK
Death 1893 Joseph HAYLOCK
Marriage 1893 Joseph HARVEY & Fanny NEWSON
Marriage 1898 Henry HAYLOCK & Ruth Rebecca COOPER

Let me know if any of this is useful to you.

contd ............

[mary elms]

I also see from my notes that Kezia HAYLOCK was buried in Ovington in 1915 and that Jospeh & Fanny (nee NEWSON) HARVEY were also buried in Ovington - Joseph in 1926 & Fanny in 1942.

Best Wishes,

Mary.

[Tim Haylock]

Thanks Mary

You are right, I am James' great grandson. I was really interested in your information. My direct line is George & Mary, Joseph & Elizabeth, Joseph & Mary, Joseph & Fanny, James & Hannah, Harry & Dorothy.

I have info from census, lists of burials and baptisms which will take a bit of time to type up and email to you.

I would be interested to find out if there were any Haylocks in Carbrooke before George & Mary. I did find the burial of Alice Haycock (or could it be Haylock?), widow aged 100 years, on Aug 13 1770 and John Haycock (Haylock?), clark of the Parish, buried Jun 6th 1769. There are a few years missing in the parish records which may be the link. Any suggestions where the Haylock line may have come from before settling in Carbrooke? There are no Haylocks mentioned in tie Carbrooke Parish records between 1667 and 1735. There is for example a big cluster of Haylocks in South Creake, Norfolk going back to 1554 (International Genealogical Index).

Contact you again soon

Tim

[Tim Haylock]

Hello again Mary

I'm having a good look through the info you sent me and comparing it with what I have. I'll get around to sending you stuff this weekend.

I'm interested to know who your mother-in-law still has contact with on my great grandfather's (Jimmy) branch of the family. Where did your husband's branch of the family (Henry) settle?

Tim

[mary elms]

Hello Tim,

I'll have to ask my mother-in-law to be sure who she's in contact with (though I think I know) as she tends to assume I know things by telepathy and she might be in contact with more than one member of the family. She was evacuated out to family in Norfolk during the war and she has some contacts from that time - some she kept on and some she picked up again when she went back to the area as an adult.

When I read her the information you posted she interupted with "Oh yes, and he married Dorothy Wright". Needless to say this was news to me! Because she knows it she doesn't think it's important - she's only interested in finding out what she doesn't know - but I can't do that if she doesn't tell me what she knows .................

Henry HAYLOCK moved to the Medway area where he met a Sussex lass with Norfolk roots and married her. They settled in Chatham. Amy Dorothy married a Medway man with Essex roots and they settled in Rochester.

I too would be interested t oknow if there were HAYLOCKs in Carbrooke before George. I'm getting impatient about a certain machine that's been held up on it's way here - profuse apologies all round but still no reader.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Mary.

[MartinWilkin]

I've been tracing this family back through the records of Carbrooke (Norfolk) & the surrounding parishes for a number of years now only to come to a complete stop at the marriage of

Joseph HAYLOCK & Elizabeth BROOKE in 1778

before which the family completely vanishes from the records.

I suspect that they may actually originate from Cambridgeshire and that what I've been following is one of their more easterly branches. But I find myself stumped as to how to begin to search for a link.

Anyone got any ideas?
I remember a gentleman named Haylock purchased a farm in Aldreth from my father in 1945. He was related to Fred Darby in Sutton and was well known in the area.

[elainepenn]

Hi
I have only just found this site and only just started researching my family tree on my father's side. My father is Eric Haylock who was born 12.10.1920 in London. His father was Walter Haylock who grew up in Essex - Steeple Bumpstead I think. I don't know much more about him other than he was in the army in the first world war and moved to London. I think both his parents died when he was quite young.
Does anyone know any more?
Thanks
Elaine

[davidcarca]

Get details of your grandmother from your father - maiden name in particular. Then you can track down the marriage of his parents. From their marriage certificate you will learn the names of their fathers. Hopefully then you will get back past 1901 when you can start to find families on the censuses

On http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl there is the birth of Eric W Haylock in the December quarter 1920 in Marylebone where the mother's maiden name is Courtman. Is this your father? If so Walter W Haylock married Florence M Courtman in the June quarter 1920 in Wandsworth registration district vol 1d page 1479

David