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Rowheat
17-04-2009, 8:51 AM
Hi

I have been trying to trace my Gt grandfathers family for many years with great difficulty as he was illegitimate living with a family of the name of James and Hannah LOADER, I have just picked up the file again and thanks to developments with FreeBMD I have been able to confirm that Hannah Loader's maiden name was PURSEY so it is highly likely that she looked after her sister's child.

John Bertram Pursey was born 1869, also known as John Peter Pursey. From the age of 2 he is shown on the census with the Loaders sometimes listed as nephew and sometimes lodger.

From the census and Free BMD it appears that Hannah Loader nee Pursey was born about 1841 and I think that Mary may have been born 1849 but that is just a guess from a freebmd entry. Hannah is on the census with her parents in 1851 -Joseph and Eliza Pursey in Wokingham and Mary is shown aged 2 with her grandmother Jane Lane also Wokingham.

I really need someone to check the PRs for me to see if Mary is the dau of Joseph and Eliza and just happened to be with her grandmother on census night please, as I know it will be ages before I can get to the Record Office as my kids hobbies seem to take priority over mine at the moment ;)


Any advice or help would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Rowena

georgiep
17-04-2009, 9:18 AM
Hi Rowena
Just a few quick questions sorry...
You don't need anymore info on John P?
Is Mary his mother?
You would like to connect Jane Lane to the Pursey family?
(listed as James in 1851 widow washerwoman 67)

Thank you
Georgie

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 9:57 AM
This is the birth cert. info if you haven't got one already it will tell you his mothers name.

Births Mar Qtr 1869,
Pursey John Betrace Easthampstead, Vol no 2c, Page no 424

Sandy

Note spelling has it been transcribed wrong .....

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 10:20 AM
Marriages Mar qtr 1862
James Loader Wokingham, Vol no 2c, Page no 498
On the same page is Hannah Pursey

This will give you both Fathers names & occupations

Sandy

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 11:06 AM
a new birth & a Marriage

Births Mar Qtr 1849
Mary Ann Pursey Wokingham, Vol no 6, Page no 339

Marriages Sep qtr 1847,
Hannah Lane & William Pursey Wokingham, Vol no 6, Page No 429

Sandy

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 11:24 AM
1861 Census
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 750; Folio: 60; Page: 5;
William Pursey 52
Hanah Pursey 50
Mary Pursey 12
Thomas Pursey 10

1851 Census
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1693; Folio: 241; Page: 12;
James Lane (Jane) 67 Where born: Hurst, Berkshire, England
James Lane 27
William Lane 11
Mary Pursey 2

More to follow...;)

Sandy

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 11:31 AM
Some christenings for chidren of Jane and John Lane

1. HANNAH LANE, 23 SEP 1810 Hurst, Berkshire, England
2. ANN LANE, 25 OCT 1812 Hurst, Berkshire, England
3. MARY LANE, 29 NOV 1807 Hurst, Berkshire, England
4. JOHN LANE,20 JAN 1805 Hurst, Berkshire, England

I think this is your family

Sandy

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 12:23 PM
I don't think the Mary Pursey you have in the census with the Grandmother Jane Lane and Hannah Pursey married to James Loader are Sisters.

I have found this

John & Jane Lane had Children
Hannah 1810
Ann 1812
Mary 1807
John 1805

Hannah married William Pursey b 1809 in 1847
she has Mary b 1849 she is on the 1851 census with Hannah's mother Jane Lane because Hannah has just given birth to son Thomas b 1851.

They are all together on the 1861 Census
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 750; Folio: 60; Page: 5;
William Pursey 52
Hanah Pursey 50
Mary Pursey 12
Thomas Pursey 10

I don't think Mary is John Bertram's mother as she marries in the Dec Qtr 1868
Mary Ann Pursey Wokingham , Vol no 2c, Page no 796.
Smith George Wokingham

They appear on the 1871 Census
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1285; Folio: 81; Page: 10;
William Pursey 65
Thomas Pursey 19
Mary Ann Smith 22
George Smith 23
Ann Catherine Smith 7 months
No Hannah but a quick look for a death turned up nothing at the moment.

I have then found Mary & George Smith with children & Mary's brother Thomas living with them on 1881, 1891 & 1901 Census.

Sandy

Sandyhall
17-04-2009, 1:38 PM
Births June qtr 1841
Hannah Pursey, Wokingham, Vol no 6, Page no 284.

I think you need to get some cert. to move forward with this. First get the John Bertram Pursey one, the info I gave you in earlier post this will give his mothers name.
You can then look for her birth to see who her parents are.
Then get the birth or marriage cert for Hannah Pursey & James Loader to see who their father's are.

At the moment I can't connect any of them all together.

I can't find Hannah on any Census before she is married to James
not with a James & Eliza as Parents & I can't find a Eliza Lane connected to a mother Jane Lane.

Sandy

Rowheat
17-04-2009, 7:03 PM
Hi Sandyhall and GeorgieP

Thank you very much for all your help, it was very kind of you to try and help me - I don't think I have explained myself very well so I will give more details

I have John Bertram Pursey's marriage certificate where his mothers name of Mary Pursey is given but no father's name, he was born 1869 in Winkfield.

From the age of 2 on the 71, 81, 91 census he is living with the Loaders, then by 1901 he has left his wife Catherine- who he married Mar 1891 ( no death entry for Catherine or details on the census after 1891 - also John never married Annie Corney(my gt grandmother) who he was with from at least 1899, but they lived as man and wife in London until his death in 1925).

I could order Hannah's marriage cert but I think that would only tell me that she is the dau of Joseph and Eliza, and I could order Mary's with the hope that it would show the same parents - but that seems unlikely after your help, but I was hoping the parish registers might show their baptisms without the expense of the certificates.

I see what you mean about Mary Pursey being unlikely to be the correct one, but I am struggling to find a Mary Pursey who could be the mother of John Bertram and sister of Hannah. I looked on Free BMD and I can see William Pursey married Hannah Lane so that makes sense.

I have Hannah on the 1851 census aged 10 with Joseph and Eliza but indexed as Percy, then they are on the 1841 census but again no Mary is listed.
On the 1861 census they are again indexed wrong as PUSSEY, Joseph (aged 51) and Eliza have James Loader as their lodger and Hannah is in London as a servant.
Living next door is a William Pursey aged 52 married to Hannah with dau Mary (the 2 year old from 1851) so now I wonder if maybe William is the brother of Joseph and perhaps Hannah was her cousin rather than sister. They are also living next door to each other in 1871.

But on checking the IGI I even wonder if they are cousins also !!


But really I need access to the Wokingham Parish registers, so if anyone has a way of getting to see them or if I can buy them online anywhere I would be grateful for any help.

Rowena

georgiep
18-04-2009, 8:05 AM
Hi Rowena ...lovely name..
Thinking out loud here!
James Loader the lodger marries Hannah the servant in Wokingham 1862.
They have no kiddies in 1881, John B Pursey is 12 listed as nephew
There are no more Loader/Pursey marriages so JBP must be nephew of Hannah?
He's back to being a lodger in 1891 with his new wife Catherine.
I shall say TTFN as I'm going to read all again.
Georgie
what a puzzle??

Sandyhall
18-04-2009, 10:58 AM
Joseph Pursey the nearest I could find is this one with siblings Father Thomas Mother Ann

HANNAH PURSEY, C. 29 JUL 1798 Wokingham, Berkshire, England
ANN PURSEY, C. 02 FEB 1806 Wokingham, Berkshire, England
THOMAS PURSEY, C. 08 JUN 1800 Wokingham, Berkshire, England
JOSEPH PURSEY, C. 31 JUL 1808 Wokingham, Berkshire, England
JOHN JAMES PURSEY, C. 11 DEC 1803 Wokingham, Berkshire, England
JOHN PURSEY, c. 11 Wokingham, Berkshire, England

Sandy

Rowheat
18-04-2009, 11:33 AM
Looks like I am going to have to buy some certificates or pay a visit to the Record Office - I would just love to find out who Mary was as it is a blank on my tree and I have completed all the other lines so when I print my pedigree chart out there is a gap - should be satisfied I have got all the others i guess, but this is an addictive hobby where you just have to know don't you:-)
Thanks again for your help and suggestions
Rowena

Sandyhall
18-04-2009, 1:20 PM
Looks like I am going to have to buy some certificates or pay a visit to the Record Office - I would just love to find out who Mary was as it is a blank on my tree and I have completed all the other lines so when I print my pedigree chart out there is a gap - should be satisfied I have got all the others i guess, but this is an addictive hobby where you just have to know don't you:-)
Thanks again for your help and suggestions
Rowena

Hi Rowena
I've haven't given up on you, I'm still looking.

I have found a Mary Ann grand daughter on the following Census 1871

James Palmer 60
Mary Palmer 58
Mary Ann Pursey 13
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1285; Folio: 81; Page: 10;

Births Jun qtr 1857 Mary Ann Pursey Wokingham, Vol no 2c, Page no 343.
And a Marriage of Elizabeth Palmer & Henry Pursey 1857 Wokingham.
But I can't find any census for them


I have found Elizabeth Palmer with her parents and siblings 1851 Census
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1693; Folio: 136; Page: 2;
James Palmer 40
Mary Palmer 31
Elizabeth Palmer 10
William Palmer 13
James Palmer 11
Emma Palmer 2
George Palmer 7

Sandy