Census Search - Manchester/Salford

[Joan Holland]

I have a marriage certificate for my Gfather (John James Bell)and my Gmother (Hannah Lawrinson), they were married in Salford 22/10/1902. I am struggling to find any info of their parents. The details on the marriage cert are:

JOHN JAMES BELL - age 33 - occupation: Railway shunter (widower) - and he lived at 44 West Tower St, Pendleton, Salford. His father was ADAM BELL (soldier)

HANNAH LAWRINSON - age 34 - address 37 Albert Road, Whalley Range, Manchester. All other columns for Hannah on the certificate are blank.

I would really appreciate if anyone could find them on a census, which may help me to trace their parents.

Thanks Joan

[Kath Betts]

Hi Joan

I have looked in the 1901 & 1891 census & so far have not found either of them.
Ancestry did however show their marriage and FreeBMD showed and entry which may be John's 1st marriage:
Marriages Sep 1896 Bell John James Leigh 8c 363 the following ladies were shown on the same page. McClintock Ann Simister Eliza

I will look a little further but do you have any idea where John was born? Did he always live around Manchester?

Kath

[Peter Goodey]

"I have looked in the 1901 & 1891 census & so far have not found either of them. "

Well, I can see a Hannah LAWRINSON in the 1901 - age 35, born Cheshire Alversley (=Aldersey?), living in Didsbury, general serv domestic. Appears to be single.

FreeBMD has someone of that name born in Gt Boughton (which includes Aldersey) in 1849. Bit early for this Hannah, I suppose. Perhaps her mother?

[Peter Goodey]

...and I can also see a John Bell, shunter on railway, age 31 in Pendleton in 1901. He may be the John J Bell born Farnworth listed in the 1881 age 11. There's no Adam Bell around but it looks as if his mother had remarried.

[Kath Betts]

Joan, I have found 2 boys named John Bell who are the correct age and around Manchester. Unfortunately neither are living with their parents so this may make it difficult to link them even if they are the correct ones.

John Bell
Age in 1881:13
Relationship to head-of-household: Nephew
Where born:Bolton, Lancashire, England
Address: 95 Deansgate
Occupation: Scholar
Source information: RG11/3846
Folio: 92
Page: 3

Name: John Bell
Age in 1881: 12
Relationship to head-of-household: Inmate
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Address: The Industrial Schools Swinton Lancashire
Occupation: Scholar
Source information: RG11/3879
Folio: 108
Page: 20


I hope that this is of some use and not just to add confusion!

Kath

[uksearch]

...and I can also see a John Bell, shunter on railway, age 31 in Pendleton in 1901. He may be the John J Bell born Farnworth listed in the 1881 age 11. There's no Adam Bell around but it looks as if his mother had remarried.


Here is the same family in 1871.

RG 10 3916 folio 137 Parr(?) Brow,tyldsley cum Shakerley
Thomas HALLIDAY..H..M..55..Coal (?) Miner..Lancs,Little Hulton
Sarah..W..M..45..Dressmaker..Derbys,Ronds(?)
Sarah BELL..Boarder..M..25..Cotton Weaver..Lancs,Tyldsley
John BELL..Boarder..1..Farnworth.

In the Dec qtr of 1868 an Adam BELL is shown as being married in Bolton (8c 354) on the same page is one Sarah HALLIDAY.

UK

[Peter Goodey]

"In the Dec qtr of 1868 an Adam BELL is shown as being married in Bolton (8c 354) on the same page is one Sarah HALLIDAY."


Well spotted, uksearch. Our case rests! :D

[uksearch]

RG 12 2831 folio 74
91 Halton Rd Runcorn
Hannah LAWRINSON..Serv..S..22..General servant domestic..Cheshire,Alvanley

UK

[Peter Goodey]

From Cheshire BMD:

Hannah LAWRINSON born 1868 Frodsham sub-district. Frodsham includes Alvanley.

I'm convinced!

Alvanley it is!

[Peter Goodey]

Final spasm...

From FreeBMD:

Births Jun 1871

BELL John James C Bolton 8c 260

[a late registration, I hope ;) ]

[Joan Holland]

WOW!! - Thanks to you all for the great information. Lots for me to research now. Can't thank you enough.

regards, Joan

[Peter Goodey]

"WOW!! - Thanks to you all for the great information"
You're welcome. I take it that you understand what your next steps are? Primarily to get some certificates?

For your information, although uksearch seems to be have access to ancestry, all the information I posted is available online and absolutely free of charge.

I think the ones I looked at were the National Archives 1901 census site, FreeBMD, Cheshire BMD and the LDS 1881 census. I also checked some locations using the GenUKI registration districts pages. I hope the contributions here have been helpful and, most importantly, that they have given you more insight into suitable research techniques.

[uksearch]

I also used all of those sites mentioned.

UK

[John]

?

For your information, although uksearch seems to be have access to ancestry, all the information I posted is available online and absolutely free of charge.

Peter,
I think you'll find that UK has access to much more and much better than ancestry And that information, though not on line is also free of charge to the end user.
Perhaps you should take note of his location:D

John

[Joan Holland]

John, uk, Peter, Kath - to you all, thankyou so much! I have noted all the sites you mention and I am eager to start searching through them. I have only just started my family history quest and all the information I have received through the forum has been fantastic. I'm sure I have loads to learn, but I know this forum was the best place to start.

Thanks again, Joan