Birth check in St Helier

[glenncampbell99]

I am interested in finding out either the maiden name of the mother or christian name of the father of one of the children of Charlotte Brown born in 1827 and in the 1861 census for St. Helier with 5 children but no husband. I am hoping she might be my g.grandmother.

Daphne|help|

[Barbara Wilkinson]

Have a look at this link (http://user.itl.net/~glen/CIResearch.html#faq4)
I am not sure how up to date it is - but there are Jersey researchers on this forum who may be able to put you right!!
I have obtained birth and marriage certificates from the Registrar in St Helier in the past, and found them remarkably helpful. The certificates cost a little more but, in my experience, I have been given additional information that more than makes up for it.

[Stewart Hill]

Hi Daphne

Not getting on too well with this one!

Looked at the 1861 Census to try and establish which Parish the children came from and see that no mention is made of their birthplace. Searching back from 1861 for an Elizabeth Brown birth, the best I could come up with was an Elizabeth Jane Brown, St Helier Births, 13th December 1856 to 19th March 1858, volume 14, page 30.

There were several George's born around 1856 and I couldn't see a Charles.

So I turned it about and looked for a Charlotte Brown born about 1851 with a mother of Charlotte (in England). There is a Charlotte Brown aged 24 (34 in the 1861 Census) with a Charlotte Amelia aged 5 months and a father Thomas Brown. There was no mention though of a Mary Ann Brown who should be aged 2 years.

I then looked for a death of a Thomas Brown in Jersey but couldn't find one!

My only hope is to go and look at the birth certificate for Elizabeth Jane and see if that helps. This I can't do until sometime next week.

Stewart

[glenncampbell99]

Wow Stewart you have been busy. This might even turn out to be a red herring. If I give you a bit of background. My grandfather was born in London in 1970/71 and I can't find his birth certificate anywhere but am still searching (15 wrong ones so far). He is purported to have been born within the sounds of bow bells and maybe even in a workhouse. I know from other documentation that his father was Stephen and his mother Charlotte but don't know when they were married and what her maiden name was. I believe Stephen was a Mariner and the only other information I gleened from an elderly uncle, who has since died, is that his father (James Henry) told him that he had to come down from Scotland for the birth of James Henry. I did find a Stephen Brown in the 1871 census born in Scotland and living in the Mile End Road although I don't have any proof he was born in Scotland he could just have docked there and travelled down for the birth. I have found a marriage between a Stephen Brown and Charlotte Frith in 1847 but have not got the certificate yet as I didn't see the point unless I could be a bit more certain that I had the right Charlotte. I cannot find Stephen and Charlotte together at all but if he was a Mariner this would make sense as he would always be away. I also cannot find Charlotte and my grandfather James Henry Brown together but there are a couple of James Browns in the 1881 England Census both in workhouse schools that might be possible and in 1886 grandfather signed up for the army giving his age as 18, when in fact he was only 16. On his army papers he gives his mother's name as Charlotte and living in 24 Severne Street, St. Georges in the East, London.

The Charlotte you have been looking for seemed to fit the bill but I could do with her maiden name and the name of the father.

Hope this puts a bit of light on yet another complicated family.

Thanks again.

Daphne

[Stewart Hill]

Hi Daphne

I'm sorry to tell you but the Elizabeth I found is not the daughter of Charlotte Brown.

I think we can conclude that none of the children were born in Jersey.

I also checked the "drowned at sea" register for any Brown drownings between 1851 and 1861 but again drew a blank. Why she should be at Common Lane in the 1861 is a mystery. That part of town is at the lower end of the social scale. She certainly didn't stay here long, but where did she go?

Stewart