Elusive grandmother

[rocket118]

Hello. My grandmother Mary Theresa Martin was born in either 1918/19.

The only details I have are her marriage certificate which says her father was Samuel James Martin - a Labourer.

The NIRO have no records matching her which leaves me to search in ROI.

She left Ireland at some point to marry Terence Dooley in England 1942. She died age 29 in 1948 in England.

I would very grateful if anyone could find any info on her.

Many thanks in advance for anyone who replies.

[v.wells]

birth
Mary T Martin, mother Martin 1918 Marylebone vol 1a p 644 1Q

[rocket118]

Thanks for the reply. I have got that certificate along with others around that date from England & Wales BMD and there are all not what i'm looking for unfortunately.

My grandmother was definitely born in Ireland but dont know where

[Peter Goodey]

Sorry but are you saying that the "T" in the entry that Vanessa found did not stand for Theresa?

Also what is it that you have that leads you to say that she was definitely born in Ireland?

[rocket118]

Hi Peter. The T was Theresa on that certificate but her father's name was Samuel. My mother's stepmother said she 100% came from Ireland.

[v.wells]

rocket118 - I would not discount the birth registration one bit especially if she is not to be found in Ireland. Family stories of 100% certainty usually aren't. You need the proof to disprove so therefore a birth cert from England may be in order. Is she on the 1841 census?

[Peter Goodey]

I'd keep an open mind too. As Vanessa says, 100% accurate family stories are thin on the ground. Also, as often discussed on this site, fathers' names on marriage certificates have to be treated with scepticism until you find some supporting evidence.

[Mutley]

On the IFHF site there are two Civil Birth registrations for Mary Martin with father Samuel. One in 1917 and one in 1919. Co Antrim.
It does not give any further information, that will cost 5€ for each.

Neither birth shows if I add Theresa or James to the search criteria. (Although these could be confirmation names that will not appear on a birth registration.)

Mary Martin is a very common name so I have no idea if these ones could be yours.

[rocket118]

Hi Mutley. Thanks for the info. How do I go about ordering thoses details for Mary Martin? They both sound viable.

[Mutley]

I cannot post a link because it is a pay per view site but if you google Irish Family History Foundation it should come up. It has the time frame that you are looking for, has marriages too.

You need to register then you can search till your hearts content, try entering Samuel's details too. Then when you think you are sure, press the right buttons to use your little plastic thingy.
(You know the one I mean!!) :)

I don't know if you have looked on the IGI Family Search Pilot (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408 347)Site. That has a lot of Irish information that has just come on line but it is a pain to use, maybe look there first then go to the IFHF.

P.S. It may be worth finding out which counties have the most instances of the name Martin.

[rocket118]

YOU HAVE HIT HIT THE JACKPOT!!!!! Thanks Mutley. I have viewed the dets and this is my elusive grandmother.

Would the NI GRO have the certificate for me to order up now? and is there a difference with the birth being registered as a CIVIL birth?

[Mutley]

Oh goody goody ;)

I think Civil Birth means that there is a registration and so a certificate is available as opposed to a church baptism entry.

These are Irish links that I am allowed to post. Might help.
Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/state/)
Irish Times Counties Index (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/index.htm)
Irish Roots (http://www.irish-roots.ie/counties.asp) - Genealogy Centres
Family Search (https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Ireland_Census) - Census
Proni (http://www.proni.gov.uk/)- Public Records of Northern Ireland
Groni (http://www.groni.gov.uk/)- General Register Office for Northern Ireland
Groireland (http://www.groireland.ie/) - The General Register Office
The National Archives of Ireland (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/) (Southern Ireland)

[v.wells]

Well done Mutley! Your snoop abilities have done you proud yet again :D

[Hall/Swan]

Have you looked for her father Samuel in the 1911 census??

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?surname=Martin&firstname=Samuel+&county=&townland=&ded=&age=21&sex=M&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100