emigration look up please

[elizabeth.a]

Hi could someone be so kind and help me i had two family's who emigrated to the U.S.A one was james & sarah dowd along with all there children (honer
mary dowd being one of them) they went on the 23rd of Aug 1889 i think
from liverpool i need to know if possible how many children did they take i
have the info on there return journey don't think all the children came back with them.Also please info on a william & sarah dowd who i think emigrated on
the 19th of march 1890 . any help no matter how little would be very much appreciated
kind regards elizabeth

[Geoffers]

two family's who emigrated to the U.S.A one was james & sarah dowd along with all there children (honer
mary dowd being one of them) they went on the 23rd of Aug 1889 i think
from liverpool i need to know if possible how many children did they take

UK outward passenger lists did not begin until 1890. I think you'll need to look at where they disembarked - I have a recollection that this was prior to Ellis Island (1892?) and you might try searching the CastleGarden.org site to see if there is a record there.

As to the second couple - a William and Kate DOWD, both aged 23 emigrated on the Teutonic, travelling from Liverpool to New York on 19th March 1890

[elizabeth.a]

Hi geoffers great news about william& kate as for james and his family
i will try castle garden many thanks elizabeth

[janeygee]

|help|:)

HI GEOFFERS;

I thought I would try my luck with you as I just read your
last post on finding immigrants to USA. Christine previously
helped me find another cousin in NY&NJ.I don't want to try
her patience;

I have the marriage/cert for 3xcousin "John Kirkwood Thomson"
& "Mary Blair Hume"; 7 Sept/1893. Tradeston,Glas/Scot;
"John" gave his occupation as "Drapery/Warehouseman" he was
21yrs, "Mary" 19yrs,spinster;
Parents of John K.; (F) John Thomson;(Joiner) (M)Marion m/s
Taylor McIntosh; John K. (b) 25July/1872 Barony,Lanark.

Parents of Mary: (F) Thomas Hume; (M)Mary m/s Blair;
Mary Blair Hume(b) 26Aug/1874;Leith,Middlothian;

I can find 'NO Trace' in children born,death/certs/census/record
for John K.& Mary Thomson AFTER their marriage,,!!!!
My feeling is they emmigrated somewhere and the fact John K.Thomson
had 'cousins' in New Jersey & Illinois makes it a good possibility,,,

It is important we look for "John Kirkwood Thomson" I know how many
Thomson's there are and the 'Kirkwood' name was his grandmother. John
had a cousin'Margaret Clugston Buchanan' who came home to 'Barony'
parish to visit her family,she emmigrated to NY/NJ in 1888-9, she had
her second child born 'Scot' 1891 and returned to USA 1892 to live in
Mason Cty,Havana Township,Illinois,they are on 1900 Cenus there.
I am sure John K. Thomson would have visited his cousin"Maggie" when
she was 'home' from USA

I am sorry this is so long-winded 'Geoff' but I am at the desperate stage
to find my 'cousin',,, Any chance you can give it a go and see if you can
find them,,??? I might add John K.Thomson had a 'step-brother' "William
Clugston Thomson' who emmigrated from Glas/1895 he was 19yrs old
and ended up in 'Boston' around 1905 working in the 'Printing-Industry'

Appreciate your help thank you,,,

Kind regards;
Janey;|bowdown|

[Geoffers]

I have the marriage/cert for 3xcousin "John Kirkwood Thomson" & "Mary Blair Hume"; 7 Sept/1893. "John" gave his occupation as "Drapery / Warehouseman" he was 21yrs, "Mary" 19yrs,spinster;

I can find 'NO Trace' in children born,death/certs/census/record for John K.& Mary Thomson AFTER their marriage,,!!!! My feeling is they emigrated somewhere and the fact John K.Thomson had 'cousins' in New Jersey & Illinois makes it a good possibility,,,

I'll have a quick look for you, but in case it doesn't work you could try looking for a will for his dad in csae he mentions his son/grandchildren.

Just checking the obvious first, as your ol'bor was from Scotland have you tried Scottish census returns and also English returns in case he came south of the border.

Have you tried the Ellis Island web-site for landings in America?

Just off to have a browse of outward passenger lists........

[Geoffers]

.........taking the name John T(H)OM(P)SON and an estimated year of birth 1872 +/- 2 years, outward passenger lists 1893-1900 comes back with 63 exact matches and 703 partial matches. I confess to not being so keen that I will trawl 703 entries - sorry.

Looking at the exact matches I checked the entries for those where the place of emigration is Scotland or the age is given and there is nothing obvious as definitely matching your chap. The problem being that he may have left first and his wife travelled separately.

Sorry - you can find the outward passenger lists on findmypast if you wish to trawl 700+ possibles for yourself, other than that try the suggestions in my last post.

One final possibility is that he joined the armed forces?

[janeygee]

:)

Thanks a bunch for your efforts to find my 'lost-cousin' Geoffers;
I have tried ALL the country/census,no luck,,,

I subscribe to the 'Ellis Island' site no luck there either,and on account
of the other cousins and step/brother going to USA, I was sure I would
find them going there,, still no luck,,,

One thing I will try is the 'Armed-Service' never thought of that,
thanks for the suggestion,,,and appreciate your help,,,,

Kind regards;
Janey;|5cups| (drowning my sorrows,!!)

[Leander]

Hello Elizabeth.

Here's what I've found so far.

Arriving 23-Aug-1889, Ship "Germanic":

Maggie Dowd, age 11.
John Dowd, age 10.
Lizzie Dowd, age 9.
Honor Dowd, age 8.
Mary Dowd, age 6.
Kate Dowd, age 4.
Sarah Dowd, age 8 months.

On another page there is Sarah, listed as "wife", age not legible. There is an 18-year-old Thomas, listed as a laborer, and a 16-year-old Ann, listed as "spinster".

In the last 2 pages the images show that the original documents were torn or crumbled, as there are missing pieces where some of the names should be.

I can make out 2 more Dowds -- a male in his 60s and his 59-year-old wife. There is a hole in the page where their first names are printed, so I can't make out their names. His middle initial MIGHT be "T", but I can't be sure of that. They are listed as being from the USA, but thought I'd mention them in case they are somehow related. They may just be coincidental.

It appears that James must have come over sooner, as I couldn't find him on the ship's manifest. However, the last page is quite damaged and a good portion of it is missing. I doubt that he is on that page, however, as the missing names appear to belong to people who were US citizens.

[elizabeth.a]

hi leander can i just say many thanks for all your help with my look up
and its as i suspected not all the children came back unless i missed them somewhere on the inward journey. as for my great great granddad james if he went earlier i can work with the fact that his youngest child was 18 months old so i can work with in a time frame of 2 years or less. (john) and (ann) were the ones who did not return so i have more investigating to do there. once again many thanks your info as helped me out tremendesly
have a great day elizabeth