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Colin Parkinson
25-01-2009, 11:34 AM
On overseas Army records I have an Edith M Parkinson born Shorncliffe 1888 with a double entry for the record, the "43rds" and "A.S.C C&T".
Does anyone know why there are double entries (certain it is the same birth) and what does "A.S.C C&T" refer to?
I have the birth certificate, Edith is the daughter of Sgt Thomas Parkinson Oxford regiment, I suspect he joined the 43rds in the 1870's and I know the 43rds & 52nds amalgamated in 1881 to become the Oxford Light Inf.
Edith's brother William Joseph Parkinson appears in the Army overseas records as born 1889 Parkhurst and again fathers regiment is shown as "A.S.C C&T", certificate shows father as Thomas Parkinson as a Bugle Major 1st Oxford regiment, was Bugle Major a rank?
Any light thrown on these questions would be appreciated.
Colin Parkinson

Geoffers
25-01-2009, 1:38 PM
Does anyone know why there are double entries (certain it is the same birth) and what does "A.S.C C&T" refer to?

ASC C& T - Army Service Corps - Commissarriat and Transport (Staff/ Department?)

The ASC underwent loads of changes in organization and names about this time, I can never remember the dates. If you use a search engine for Army Service Corps, you should find something of its history.

Peter Goodey
25-01-2009, 2:04 PM
It was a very ramshackle system and there are many duplicates (unfortunately there are also many missing).

The details were extracted from different returns sent in by the regiments and sometimes the same data was recorded on different forms, particularly when someone transferred from one regiment to another. This case sounds like a transfer (43rds to ASC) so that may be the explanation.

daggers
25-01-2009, 8:35 PM
Bugle Major was [is?] an appointment, rather than a rank, and would probably have the rank of a sergeant. He would be in charge of the buglers, responsible for their training etc. Drum, pipe and trumpet major are similar appointments in different parts of the army.
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Colin Parkinson
26-01-2009, 9:14 AM
Mank thanks. That all sounds plausible. I will seek out Thomas Parkinson's army service record, it will probably show his change of regiment.
Colin