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17-01-2009, 9:05 AM
Well the 1911 census gave me a breakthrough I wasn't really expecting but as you know one thing leads to another so now I need help with the daughter of the half sister of my great grandfather.
Annie Yates is on the 1911 census at 14 Shipton Street Bolton with her parents Jane and George Yates. She is age 11.
Because a family story said an Annie Yates went to USA I started a search for a marriage for her in England then moved to outgoing passenger lists and found her! First page thank goodness because there were 350 Annie and A Yates listed.
Annie Yates age 24, last address 14 Shipton Street Bolton, sailed on the ship Carmania (Cunard Line) from Liverpool on the 14 February 1925 bound for Boston and New York. She is alone and occupation given is waitress.
From this point I need help. I have findmypast sub but only have Aus and uk sub on ancestry.
Where to from here? Hints and help gratefully received.:confused:
17-01-2009, 9:37 AM
From the New York Passenger Lists, Annie Yates arrived at New York on the 23rd February 1925.Age 25, a waitress. Her relative was given as Father: George Yates of 14 Skipton St. Bolton. However her last permanent residence is listed as USA Philadelphia. This would suggest that she had already been living in the USA, and just went home for a while to visit her family.
17-01-2009, 9:44 AM
Going back to the outgoing passenger lists. Annie Yates departed 22nd June 1922 from Liverpool to Montreal , Canada on the Empress of India.
Address 14 Shipton St. Chorley Old Road Bolton, Occupied as a Domestic aged 23. England was her country of last permanent residence and her country of intended residence was Canada.
17-01-2009, 9:52 AM
I couldn't find any incoming passenger lists for the Empress of India in 1922.
So From 1925 until the 1930 Census, she may have married - but without knowing where, it would be very difficult to track her forward. Even if she didn't marry, there are several Annie Yates of the right age throughout the USA, but unfortunately the census doesn't give any more details than England as a place of birth.
17-01-2009, 10:07 AM
There were 43 Annies in 1930 census who were born in England - I'll have a look through them and see who can be eliminated. This should leave you a list of possibilities that you can check further.
17-01-2009, 10:28 AM
One possibility so far : Annie McCall (a parlour maid) married to Robert McCall ( b. 1902-1903 Scotland - Scottish Parents a butler) about 1927. However both immigrated in 1922 and were naturalized Al ( possibly Alabama?). Maybe someone else with more knowledge will know what Al stands for! They are living at Greenwich, Fairfield CT in 1930
17-01-2009, 10:41 AM
On April 24, 1923 Canada/USA border crossing records, 23 year old Annie Yates crosses the border from Canada to USA at Niagara Falls New York. Her occupation is Domestic and her last permanent residence was Belleville (probably the town in Ontario, Canada abt 100 km east of Toronto on the shore of Lake Ontario), no contact person at departure residence, destination contact is Aunt Mrs. Mory or Mary, 8100 Halstein(?) Avenue, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She has $20, intending permanent residence & intending to become a citizen of the USA. She is 5’3”, fair complexion, gray eyes, born England, Bolton.
On Incoming Passenger Lists, Annie Yates arrives 26 Aug 1924 on the Baltic at Liverpool from New York. She is a 30 year old waitress, intended destination 14 Shipton Street, Bolton. County of permanent residence is USA, country of intended future residence is England.
In the 1930 US census there is a 30 year old Nanett S(?) Yates enumerated as a guest on South Olive Street, in Los Angeles California. The page is titled Hotel Arthur 637½ South Olive Street. Her occupation is hotel waitress and she immigrated in 1926. She is an Al = Alien (not naturalized citizen).
17-01-2009, 11:10 AM
I think, by looking through the census, the naturalization column only has Al or Na, so I guess they stand for Alien or Natural.
The other options are that Annie died between 1925 and 1930 in USA. Or she returned to England, or travelled elsewhere between 1925 and 1930.
She may also been under the name Ann, or Anne which could make the search rather difficult. Unfortunately I can't specify year of immigration in the search criteria to narrow down the list! I'm about halfway through the Annies!
17-01-2009, 1:47 PM
Is your Annie Smith Yates the Annie Smith Yates who was born 3rd Q in Bolton Lancashire? Do you have her exact date of birth?
Given that the 1930 census entry for Nanett S Yates in Los Angeles that I quoted in my earlier message is looking likelier if your Annie's middle initial is S, we could look for a Social Security death registration for her using her first name & exact date of birth. This might give us a lead to her married name.
I don't see her on passenger lists returning to UK after 1930
17-01-2009, 8:11 PM
Oh Boy Oh Boy
I go to bed and wake up to all this wonderful information. You are both absolutely brilliant.
Annie's mum Jane married a George Yates from Durham and her half brother was also George Yates but born Bolton. He ended up in Whittingham Asylum for 11 years till his death.
Now Annie's dad added the Smith to his name sometime between the 1901 and 1911 census. Maybe he wanted to distinguish himself from his wife's half brother! Her mother was a character too, she had 5 children and goodness knows who the fathers were. Maybe in Jane's case the bloke James Comb she was married to for all of 12 months before he died. But certainly not any of the other girls who were born in the ten years after he died and were given his surname.
Back to the problem:)
I don't have Annie's birth certificate as she is not exactly my number one priority but is down age one in 1901 census and age 11 in 1911 so 1900 birth and as I said her dad added the Smith into his and Annie's name on the 1911 census. Didn't put it on his wife's though.
Now I am going to make a cup of tea and absorb all the info you have been so generous in finding for me.|bowdown|
13-01-2010, 10:02 PM
Thought I would just give AdeleE and Wilkes_ml an update.
I received an email two days ago from a woman in US. She was talking to her neighbour and he casually mentioned that he was adopted. Because he was 3 years old when adopted he knew his birth parents names and had made contact with his birth father - I don't know when - and had a little information on his birth mother, MY ANNIE!!!
How do we know they are the same person? because of the address in Bolton and her parents names on various legal documents.
AdeleE, he also knows that she used the names Nanette/Nancy and Wilson/Yates. So your find for her in the 1930 census was spot on.
My new found research contact and Annie's son are stuck at 1933 as the last sighting of Annie.
The power of B_G forums strikes again, which is what popped up in the search engine when they were looking for Annie.
I have already thanked Bo-Peep for her part in getting us together.
Now to rekindle the hunt for Annie after 1930.|biggrin||biggrin|
19-01-2010, 9:55 PM
This is very interesting. The power of search engines....
Obtaining her birth certificate would be an idea, in order to find her exact date of birth and then look for an Annie with that date of birth on the Social Security death index.
19-01-2010, 10:37 PM
There is so much I have found out about Annie since being in contact with her son. However I won't put it in the public domain.
19-01-2010, 11:21 PM
I understand your concerns. I'm so glad that the two of you have been able to "meet" each other and we all can certainly respect anyone's wish for privacy.
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