The Manor of Bouldnor, Leicestershire

[mikproju@talkta]

I am the 'proud' bearer of the title 'Lord of the Manor of Bouldnor' or 'lord of Bouldnor'. Regretfully I have not yet been able find Bouldnor as a place ( yet funnily enough when I put Bouldnor in the search it brings up Bouldnor, Leicestershire) or as a name. The title was supposedly started in 1428 and I presume if there was a manor at that time it was made of wood and has ceased to exist. However , surely if the manor existed then the place where it ws must still be in existance. But where is that? In Yahoo maps the search takes you to a field area in the centre of Leicestershire but specifies nothing.Nowhere else have I so far been able to find a link. So, I am now turning to you....can anyone help please with a location, or, if it was the surname of the person who held the Manor if you can help find where it was?
You can either post me an answer here or contact me direct on mikproju?talktalk.net I'm desperate now.

[michaelpipe]

Maybe this page tells you something, although it isn't Leicestershire. Search the page for "Bouldnor"


http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42090&strquery=shalfleet

Search Google maps for Bouldnor, Hampshire. You will find it on the Isle of Wight.

Michael

[Geoffers]

Welcome to the forums


I am the 'proud' bearer of the title 'Lord of the Manor of Bouldnor' or 'lord of Bouldnor'

Purchased or inherited?

If purchased, where from and what documentary evidence to the title came with it?


Regretfully I have not yet been able find Bouldnor as a place

There's a Bouldnor on the Isle of Wight. Have you tried variant spellings?

Any luck with a search of Domesday, Access to Archives, the E179 databse or 'phoning the Leics R.O?


I presume if there was a manor at that time it was made of wood and has ceased to exist

Manors were not physical buildings, but names given to small administrative areas over which a person/court had jurisdiction.


However, surely if the manor existed then the place where it was must still be in existence

Not necessarily, there are many, many places which have become deserted over time and are now no more than a few bumps on the ground.

[mikproju@talkta]

Title was purchased as a Feudal title from Noble titles. I received a Certificate of Title, declaration of title, title guarentee as authentically researched which contains bygone styled tiyle, name of historical interest & legend with recorded legal existence & with 'ownership holding'proven. Rights to incorpereal hereditaments ( which means not a lot if place doesn't exist), deed of possession and transfer from 'Viscount Dunkeley previous Lord of aforesaid Manor. As I paid a LOT more for this than the usual foot of land in Scotland, I need to know as much as I can.

[mikproju@talkta]

Thanks for your help and for trying, but I already knew about the Isle of Wight Bouldnor. Getting nowhere fast here.Either I'm a dupe or someone , somewhere knows something about this place in 1428.

[Geoffers]

Getting nowhere fast here.Either I'm a dupe or someone , somewhere knows something about this place in 1428.

I can find no mention of the place in Access to Archives, E179 database or Domesday. All references on TNA's catalogue refer to Bouldnor on the IoW.
Unfortunately the Manorial Records Database does not include Leicestershire

I've just searched the Leicestershire Record Office catalogue of holdings for Bouldnor, Boldnor, Bouldner, Boldner - and again no hits. (But I would recommend that you telelphone them to see if a local expert has any knowledge of it).

I can find no mention of Bouldnor in Leicestershire in any of my gazetteers of place names.

There is no trace on modern OS maps, the old-maps web-site, or that can see on John Speed's map

If it existed (as a physical location), it wasn't much of a place...............If it existed, it would appear to be less of a place now.

If the title is being sold, it is because no one sees a need for it now and presumably no one has wanted it for some time.

Before considering such a transaction, I would recommend prospective purchasers to ensure that:

a) The company is genuine
b) It has the right to sell the advertised item
c) You know precisely what you are buying.

I wish you much joy of your title and any rights you now possess.

[tony vines]

Title was purchased as a Feudal title from Noble titles. I received a Certificate of Title, declaration of title, title guarentee as authentically researched which contains bygone styled tiyle, name of historical interest & legend with recorded legal existence & with 'ownership holding'proven. Rights to incorpereal hereditaments ( which means not a lot if place doesn't exist), deed of possession and transfer from 'Viscount Dunkeley previous Lord of aforesaid Manor. As I paid a LOT more for this than the usual foot of land in Scotland, I need to know as much as I can.

I think that incorporeal hereditaments do not in any case include physical properties, even if such existed. Property would be classed as a corporeal hereditament. Incorporeal hereditaments would include such things as rights e.g. rights to receive payments for some kind of benefit granted in the manor and possibly chattels (happy to be corrected on that detail).

However, Geoffers is undoubtedly right to query the provenance of your purchase and I have to say that as a Leicestershire man I've never heard of the place in that county.

cheers

[Peter Goodey]

An internet search (google web, groups, whois etc) starting with "Noble Titles" is interesting and leads to several discussions on this type of "market" including this document that may be of interest. There is a paragraph on "Lords of the Manor".

http://www.baronage.co.uk/2002d/conned.pdf

[Lesley Robertson]

Title was purchased as a Feudal title from Noble titles. I received a Certificate of Title, declaration of title, title guarentee as authentically researched which contains bygone styled tiyle, name of historical interest & legend with recorded legal existence & with 'ownership holding'proven. Rights to incorpereal hereditaments ( which means not a lot if place doesn't exist), deed of possession and transfer from 'Viscount Dunkeley previous Lord of aforesaid Manor. As I paid a LOT more for this than the usual foot of land in Scotland, I need to know as much as I can.


They didn't provide a map?
Google gives no hits at all for "Viscount Dunkeley" or "Viscount Dunkly".
Lesley

[Geoffers]

I think that incorporeal hereditaments do not in any case include physical properties,

That's correct, you purchase a right to a title and possibly some obscure rights within the manor that probably no one has ever heard of and which might these days be effectively challenged.

I think the chap who posted the question was mostly after knowing where Bouldnor actually is as a physical location. From searches I have made, I just don't think it exists anymore (though I'd stand to be corrected by someone with local knowledge) and has not existed for so long that no one now knows where it was. It might conceivably survive in the name of a field, it might now merely be a few bumps in the ground and a couple of hedgerows - if you're lucky.

Anyone purchasing these titles might have some quaint idea that there will be an actual village, castle/manor house - something substantial like Stokesay? In fact many lords of manors didn't actually live on their manor, so there is no 'manor house'

In some cases you may find a substantial settlement (but I think you'd have to pay a l-o-t of money for those titles) - but in many just an obscure and long forgotten name survives.

Caveat emptor - or to use the correct legal term in Norfolk, 'Tha's a load of ol'squit bor.'

[Lesley Robertson]

Title was purchased as a Feudal title from Noble titles.

I was puzzled that I couldn't find any reference to this Viscount Dunkeley and have been doing a bit of digging.
I'm very sorry, but I think that you should read the Earl of Bradford's site http://www.faketitles.com/. He specifically mentions this company.

Lesley

[Geoffers]

I was puzzled that I couldn't find any reference to this Viscount Dunkeley and have been doing a bit of digging.

Good work Lesley. At least we know where they got the idea of 'Viscount Dunkeley' from.

[tony vines]

Great find Lesley. Oh dear!!

I guess that such things are not what BG is for but even so it feels like it ought to be a topic that is treated like a "sticky" so that future visitors can find their way to the Fake Titles site and make up their own minds.

[mikproju@talkta]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to provide me with all the information and help. It appears I am an out of pocket chump who should have known better at my age. David.

[Lesley Robertson]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to provide me with all the information and help. It appears I am an out of pocket chump who should have known better at my age. David.


You might want to note that the Earl of Bradford wants to hear from people who have fallen foul of such firms (there's a link somewhere on his site). You may not get your money back, but the information you can provide may help to protect others - especially if they claimed that one of them is a Viscount, and he isn't....


In the mean time, why not stay around and track your own family? Who knows what you might find!
Lesley

[michaelpipe]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to provide me with all the information and help. It appears I am an out of pocket chump who should have known better at my age. David.


Think positive, David - according to the site where you bought it, he will resell on your behalf. You never know, you might make a killing!!

Michael

[Geoffers]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to provide me with all the information and help. It appears I am an out of pocket chump who should have known better at my age. David.

1. Did you pay by cheque? If so and it has not been cashed, cancel the cheque

2. Keep all the paperwork in relation to this matter. Print off every page from the web-site. Put everything in chronological order. If you spoke to any person in connection with this matter - either by telephone or in person, make a note of:

When (time and date)
Where
Means of communication
Who was involved
Who said what

Sign your note, time it and date it.

3. Report the matter to the police. Depending on the means of payment ask for a view on whether an offence has been committed under:

Section 1 Theft (Amendment) Act 1996 - Obtaining money transfer by Deception

Section 2 Fraud Act 2006 - Fraud by false representation

4. Check what you buy in future.

[Ladkyis]

and it is also possible that those incorporeal herditaments could include debts incurred by a previous owner of the title - just a thought if they are prepared to sell it on for you