Whitmores in Brackley 1750- 1850

[JennyP]

Does anyone have ancestors called Whitmore from the North Oxfordshire area (around Banbury) or South Northamptonshire (around Brackley)?

I have a ggg grandfather called Samuel Whitmore who married in 1811 near Bicester but have been unable to find where he came from. I have the parish register transcript for Stoke Lyne showing his marriage but no Whitmores were born in Stoke Lyne prior to that date.

I have seen a few Whitmores in the 1841 Census that were born in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire and Brackley, Northamptonshire but cannot connect these to Samuel.

It would be great to hear from anyone else researching Whitmore in this area.

[southistle]

Do you have an approximate birth date for Samuel? From his age at death or the census?

[JennyP]

Samuel is shown in the 1841 census in Stoke Lyne with a birth date abt 1781.

This is a Northampton Whitmore in the same census:
Name: John Whitmore
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter Brackley
Hundred: Kings Sutton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brackley
Sub registration district: Brackley
Household Members: Name Age
John Whitmore 45
William Whitmore 5 abt 1836

I am hoping to discover if this John is a brother of Samuel.

[Sandyhall]

Jenny P
I live in Brackley and have access to Parish Records in my Library I can go and have a look for you.
Sandy
Let me have as much details as you can

[Sandyhall]

Have you got his Death Cert.

Name: Samuel Whitmore
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bicester
County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 16, Page: 28

Sandy

[JennyP]

Thanks Sandy.
Yes, I have his death certificate which says he died in an accident. I found the report using Gale's data base of on-line newspapers. He was working in a pit and the sides fell in on him.

The only other info I have on him is his marriage to Elizabeth Phillips in Stoke Lyne, Oxfordshire :
1811 Apr-29 Whitmore Samuel Elizabeth Phillips, botp, witnesses Charlott Whitmore and Sarah Herbert

I don't know where Charlott (sic) came from either, but I imagine she could be of an age with Samuel and Elizabeth who was born in Stoke Lyne in 1792

Elizabeth Phillips's baptism is in the Stoke Lyne parish register


Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi
Have you got the 14 children for Samuel and Elizabeth.
sandy

[JennyP]

I only have 12 children for Samuel and Elizabeth. Are you sure the other two are not the children of their son Samuel?

Jenny

[Sandyhall]

I have as follows

John 28 June 1811
Mary 16 May 1813
Martha 2 April 1815
Ann 21 Sept 1817
Jane 5 March 1820
Jane 9 Dec 1821
Samuel 19 April 1824
Harriett 31 March 1827
William 7 Sept 1828
James 12 Dec 1830
James 15 July 1832 on the Census
John 17 April 1835 on the Census
Sarah 1837 on the Census
Martha 1840 on the Census

The first Jane and James could have died in infancy and they would have named a second child the same. These are taken from the IGI except Sarah and Martha who are on the Census. All born Stoke Lyne and parents Samuel and Elizabeth.

Sandy

[JennyP]

The Stoke Lyne Parish registers show:
1846 Feb-22 Whitmore Hannah Mary
1840 Jun-07 Whitmore Martha Mary
1836 Oct-29 Whitmore Sarah Ann Mary

[JennyP]

Sorry Sandy, posted that before I was ready.

The parish registers show that mother of these 3 youngest as Mary.
Elizabeth and Samuel seemed to have looked after several grandchildren as well as their own large brood. At one time she was looking after twin girls who sadly died at about 18mths old. Their mother was Mary James (nee Whitmore) who appears to have died in childbirth.

[Sandyhall]

OK
Sarah Ann Mary is the one on the 1841 Census b abt 1837
so is Martha Mary b abt 1840 so we have an extra Daughter Hannah Mary 1846

I now make that 15 children

Sandy

[JennyP]

I'm not keeping up the family productivity - I only have three :)

[Sandyhall]

I had a little laugh at your last post

1851 Census has Grand children

Elizabeth Whitmore 61 Head
James Whitmore 17 Son
John Whitmore 15 son
Sarah Ann Whitmore 14 Granddaughter
Martha Whitmore 10 Granddaughter
Jane James 8 Mo Granddaughter
Hannah James 8 Mo Granddaughter

1861 she is with son John
1871 she is still with son John

have you got any Birth Cert.
Births Mar 1846
Whitmore Hannah Bicester 16 29

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Just a catch up

yes I found the marriage of Mary and Richard James and Jane and Hannah's details, have you got the connections to Australia and New Zealand.
I will find out if the Library is open tomorrow and have a visit if it is.

Got to go and order some books from amazon so will be off forum for awhile.

Sandy

[JennyP]

My great grandfather was John who was born in 1835 so I have not spread my search much along other routes but I have been in touch with Bert Mason and Belinda Hynds who filled me in on the branch that went to Australia, descended from Samuel and Elizabeth's son James born 1832. It always strikes me as sad that he should leave for the other side of the world in the days when Elizabeth would probably never see him again.

I don't think I have any New Zealand info though.

I have also been in contact with Pauline Barnes who was a Whitmore descended from Brackley families. She says there were at least 2 families of Whitmores:

William Whitmore born c1695, peruke maker, with 3 sons William born c1721, Charles 1724 (he died childless in 1801), & John 1726-91

William Whitmore c1750 - 1831, carpenter & joiner with 4 sons, William 1783, John 1789, Charles 1794 & Thomas Taylor 1796.

But she could not find a Samuel or a Charlotte


Thanks for your help Sandy. I think I should try posting to the Oxfordshire forum too, as there were definitely some Whitmores born in Hook Norton.

[Sandyhall]

Hi
Ordered my books they will keep me quite for awhile.

Back just to let you know Library is open tomorrow and I know I have seen Whitmore name in the PR so will go and look for you. Before you post on Oxford forum.
The New Zealand family has Sarah Ann Whitmore b1836 (No birth place) married to a Jessie Gazzard died in NZ but no proof etc...

Sandy

[Marilyn P]

There are baptisms for a Charlotte and a Samuel at Brackley in the Northamptonshire 1751-1812 baptism cd.
Samuel WHITMORE son of John and Elizabeth 27th Dec 1780
Charlotte WHITMORE daughter of John and Elisabeth 6th Jun 1783

Of course they might have died as infants!

[JennyP]

That's brilliant Marilyn. Thanks.
The dates, names and location are spot on. These must be my Whitmores as long as there are no death/burial records to show they died young

[Sandyhall]

hi
I will check for burials and also see if I can find the marriage of John and Elizabeth for you this afternoon
Sandy

[JennyP]

That's very good of you Sandy. I really appreciate this.

[JennyP]

:)My brother is coming to visit for a few days so I may be off-line for a bit. Please don't think I am ignoring you. I will try to sneek a peak at my laptop now and again and he is a Whitmore after all, he should be interested too.:)

[Geoffers]

There are two threads covering very closely the same detail, to save any confusion, please just update this thread.

The second thread on the Oxfordshire forum has been closed and can be found here (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39657).

[Sandyhall]

There are baptisms for a Charlotte and a Samuel at Brackley in the Northamptonshire 1751-1812 baptism cd.
Samuel WHITMORE son of John and Elizabeth 27th Dec 1780
Charlotte WHITMORE daughter of John and Elisabeth 6th Jun 1783

Of course they might have died as infants!

Hi
I have not found any Deaths for Samuel and Charlotte Whitmore in the Burials for 1783 - 1787.

I did find another Daughter born to John and Elizabeth a Hannah Christened 10 May 1778 in Christenings 1775 - 1812

So we now have -
Hannah b abt 1778
Samuel b abt 1780
Charlotte b abt 1783

I did not have time to look for the marriage of John and Elizabeth but I can go back tomorrow.

There are other Whitmore family's in Brackley I will sort them out for you as they will all be related to each other somewhere along the line.

Sandy

[JennyP]

You are brilliant Sandy. Thank you so much.

[Sandyhall]

JennyP

Do you know if you still have relatives living in the area of Stoke Lyne.

I just had a thought |idea|(don't want to do to much of that I'll get a headache) that there might still be Whitmores living in the Brackley area, so had a look in the phone book their are 2 names, yes |bowdown| thats what I call a result.
1 in Brackley and 1 in Fritwell (this is another village out by Stoke Lyne)

I could make a couple of phone calls later it wont cost me anything as they are local.

Sandy

[JennyP]

I think that is too much to ask of you Sandy.
It is something I ought to do myself.

Thanks for the info though. I have been to Stoke Lyne and looked around but that was early on in my research and I never thought to look further afield then. I have also been in contact with a Whitmore descended from the Brackley family who may well know the current person who lives there. Until now I have not been certain there was a connection between her family and mine so now is the time to get back to her.
Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi
Sorry not to have got back before I was at the Library all afternoon, Whitmore's go back to 1655 in Brackley.

I found a Christening of what looks like Humphrey (Humphory) son of William Whitmore and his wife it looks like Francis but not sure on 15 July 1655. It then is in Latin (I think) and the next I can read is in 1729 onwards. Will go back this afternoon if I can. No one son Stephen is "supposed" to be coming to see me.

I will PM you the Phone numbers

Sandy
Happy New Year

[tgjames]

Sandyhall--a look up please, Parish registers, for a marrage of a miss WHITMORE and a mr. JAMES London area about 1819. If this exists, they had children--MARY ANN JAMES b. 1822 and GEORGE JAMES b. 1824-25

[JennyP]

This is truly overwhelming. Back to possible ancestors in 1655 in less than a week.:D

I am now going to consolidate all this new information and see how the jigsaw fits together. Then I'll contact the Whitmores in the area with the contact information you sent me.

Thank you again and again and a Happy New Year to you and Stephen.:)

[Sandyhall]

Sandyhall--a look up please, Parish registers, for a marrage of a miss WHITMORE and a mr. JAMES London area about 1819. If this exists, they had children--MARY ANN JAMES b. 1822 and GEORGE JAMES b. 1824-25

Hi, are you certain that they married in Brackley, Northants.
I will have a look tomorrow Friday as the library is not open to day.
Regards Sandy
Happy new year to all

[tgjames]

Hi, thank you for responding, no I am not sure were they married, all I know is that Mary Ann and George James were born in London,England dates given. They moved to London Ontario Canada about 1829-1830 with parents and settled there. Mary Ann`s daughter`s middle name was Whitmore. I`m assuming that was her mother`s maiden name. Mary Ann looks to be the first born. The marriage is about 1820 to 1822 ?? I thank you for any info. Hope you had a great New Year. tgjames

[Sandyhall]

Hi, thank you for responding, no I am not sure were they married, all I know is that Mary Ann and George James were born in London,England dates given. They moved to London Ontario Canada about 1829-1830 with parents and settled there. Mary Ann`s daughter`s middle name was Whitmore. I`m assuming that was her mother`s maiden name. Mary Ann looks to be the first born. The marriage is about 1820 to 1822 ?? I thank you for any info. Hope you had a great New Year. tgjames

Hi,
Sorry no marriage in Brackley, Northants for Whitmore & James looked from 1813 to 1845.
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

I have also been in contact with Pauline Barnes who was a Whitmore descended from Brackley families. She says there were at least 2 families of Whitmores:

William Whitmore born c1695, peruke maker, with 3 sons William born c1721, Charles 1724 (he died childless in 1801), & John 1726-91

William Whitmore c1750 - 1831, carpenter & joiner with 4 sons, William 1783, John 1789, Charles 1794 & Thomas Taylor 1796.

Hi
Has Pauline given you the Marriages and Children of these Whitmore's.
I have found Thomas Taylor Whitmore wife Hannah a carpenter with 2 children Ann Taylor and Louise both christened on the same day.
I don't want to give you information you have already got.
Sandy

[JennyP]

Thanks for that Sandy. Pauline was establishing that Samuel was not part of her tree but other than giving me the names of her 18th century ancestors I did not get more info as I did not think we would be connected later down her tree. Her Whitmores moved to Birmingham and stayed there apart from a brief connection with London.

I wonder if Ann Taylor and Louise were twins. I am a twin and have only found one set of twins in my tree and they were not direct ancestors. I think I have already mentioned them, Hannah and Jane James who both died in infancy.

This might be of interest to TGJAMES. The twins' father was Richard James who came from around Stoke Lyne. So there were James and Whitmore families there at the same time. What lead you to Brackley?

Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi
No they are not twins just christened on the same day
No 1042. Ann Taylor Whitmore born 6 June 1830 christened 5 Sept 1830 father Thomas Taylor mother Hannah father's occupation Carpenter.
No 1043 Louise Whitmore born 7 May 1826 christened 5 Sept 1830 father Thomas Taylor mother Hannah father's occupation Carpenter.

I live in Brackley and have looked at the Micro fiches of the Parish Records loads of times, the Library ladies get them out as soon as they see me coming. I did some look ups for someone looking for Whitlocks of Brackley so knew the Whitmores where in Brackley. I have lots of information for you I am just trying to sort out who is who and in which family.

Charlotte Whitmore daughter of John & Elizabeth c. 6 June 1783 married John Ryman of Heathe (Just up the road from Brackley and not far from Stoke Lyne) on 6 Jan 1812 (No 540 in the parish records if you want a copy you can get them from Northampton Records Office)

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

There are baptisms for a Charlotte and a Samuel at Brackley in the Northamptonshire 1751-1812 baptism cd.
Samuel WHITMORE son of John and Elizabeth 27th Dec 1780
Charlotte WHITMORE daughter of John and Elisabeth 6th Jun 1783

Of course they might have died as infants!

Hi
This is what lead me to Brackley - but I can check Oxfordshire Records for Samuel b abt 1781 with a sister Charlotte b abt 1783 for you but it won't be until next Weds, I sometimes go to Banbury Library (I have a free bus pass LOL) as I know that a man from Oxfordshire Family History Society visits Weds and Fri he has loads of things to look through and is very knowable.

Sandy

[JennyP]

Hi
This is what lead me to Brackley - but I can check Oxfordshire Records for Samuel b abt 1781 with a sister Charlotte b abt 1783 for you but it won't be until next Weds, I sometimes go to Banbury Library (I have a free bus pass LOL) as I know that a man from Oxfordshire Family History Society visits Weds and Fri he has loads of things to look through and is very knowable.

Sandy
Oops. Sorry Sandy. That is what comes of being a newbie. That question "What lead you to Brackley?" was meant for TGJAMES.

[JennyP]

Hi
This is what lead me to Brackley - but I can check Oxfordshire Records for Samuel b abt 1781 with a sister Charlotte b abt 1783 for you but it won't be until next Weds, I sometimes go to Banbury Library (I have a free bus pass LOL) as I know that a man from Oxfordshire Family History Society visits Weds and Fri he has loads of things to look through and is very knowable.

Sandy
I have found a William Whitmore born 1678 in Banbury, father Robert, but as yet have no descendents that might connect up to Brackley or Hook Norton Whitmores.

I am convinced that the Charlotte and Samuel that you found in Brackley are my ancestors so please don't feel you have to go to Banbury to pursue them.

Jenny

[tgjames]

Thanks Sandy. how do I find a birth for Mary Ann and George James. Who do I ask to look up one in London

[tgjames]

Thanks for that Sandy. Pauline was establishing that Samuel was not part of her tree but other than giving me the names of her 18th century ancestors I did not get more info as I did not think we would be connected later down her tree. Her Whitmores moved to Birmingham and stayed there apart from a brief connection with London.

I wonder if Ann Taylor and Louise were twins. I am a twin and have only found one set of twins in my tree and they were not direct ancestors. I think I have already mentioned them, Hannah and Jane James who both died in infancy.

This might be of interest to TGJAMES. The twins' father was Richard James who came from around Stoke Lyne. So there were James and Whitmore families there at the same time. What lead you to Brackley?

Jenny
HI Jennyp, the Richard James you talked about was married to whom? Do you have other info about the family

[JennyP]

Richard (born 1816 in Oxfordshire) was living with:

Robert Sumner 55
Richard James 25
Marcy James 25 (I believe this should be Mary)
William James 3
Rebecca James 1
William Shepard 14

in Stoke Lyne Oxfordshire in the 1841 Census

Robert Sumner was a schoolmaster, Richard was an agricultural labourer.
Mary Whitmore was his wife and comes from my family of Whitmores. She died a few days after giving birth to twins in 1850 and I know from their marriage cert (1850, he was a widower but it would be interesting to see the maiden name of William and Rebecca's mother!) that Richard's father was called Mark. Mary's brother John was my g-g-grandfather whose father Samuel I have found through this forum.

I think there were more James in Stoke Lyne at that time but have not researched them as yet.

Jenny

[tgjames]

Richard (born 1816 in Oxfordshire) was living with:

Robert Sumner 55
Richard James 25
Marcy James 25 (I believe this should be Mary)
William James 3
Rebecca James 1
William Shepard 14

in Stoke Lyne Oxfordshire in the 1841 Census

Robert Sumner was a schoolmaster, Richard was an agricultural labourer.
Mary Whitmore was his wife and comes from my family of Whitmores. She died a few days after giving birth to twins in 1850 and I know from their marriage cert (1850, he was a widower but it would be interesting to see the maiden name of William and Rebecca's mother!) that Richard's father was called Mark. Mary's brother John was my g-g-grandfather whose father Samuel I have found through this forum.

I think there were more James in Stoke Lyne at that time but have not researched them as yet.

Jenny
Hi Jenny, thank you for the response, the info I have is Mary Ann and George James arrived in Ontario Canada with parents about 1829 1830, said they were born London England. Mary Ann b. 1822, George b. 1824 or 1825. If Richard had a brother born about 1800 who married a Whitmore that might work. Are you able to research birth records for London?

[JennyP]

I only have access to Ancestry.com and the LDS site. Do you have any idea whereabouts in London? A county name for example? London is a big area.


Unfortunately 1825 is before census and official BDM records so it will probably require a parish lookup which I do not have access to, and there are many parishes to cover.

Jenny

Jenny

[tgjames]

I only have access to Ancestry.com and the LDS site. Do you have any idea whereabouts in London? A county name for example? London is a big area.


Unfortunately 1825 is before census and official BDM records so it will probably require a parish lookup which I do not have access to, and there are many parishes to cover.

Jenny

Jenny
Thanks for that Jenny, I will have to ask in the Middlesex county forum. I found lots of James` and Whitmores` around London about the same time. So anything is possible. Keep me in mind if you find any info on a Whitmore/ James marriage. tgjames

[JennyP]

Thanks for that Jenny, I will have to ask in the Middlesex county forum. I found lots of James` and Whitmores` around London about the same time. So anything is possible. Keep me in mind if you find any info on a Whitmore/ James marriage. tgjames
Will do TG.

Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi JennyP & TG

If you can wait until Wed I am going to go to Banbury Library, I will look up James's family from Stoke Lyne as well as check out Samuel Whitlock.

Sandy

[JennyP]

Thank you Sandy.

I have the following info from the Banbury area:

OFHS baptism records

Surname Forename Parents Place Year
WHITMORE Mary John & Hannah Hook Norton 1814
WHITMORE John John & Mary Hook Norton 1816
WHITMORE Sarah John & Hannah Hook Norton 1818 mother of Isaac????
WHITMORE William John & Hannah Hook Norton 1820
WHITMORE David John & Hannah Hook Norton 1823
WHITMORE Maria John & Hannah Hook Norton 1825
WHITMORE Joshua John & Hannah Hook Norton 1828

Jenny


WHITMORE Isaac Hannah Banbury 1836

Marriages
1860 Isaac's first wife was Hannah Smith and he names John Turvery as his father on his marriage cert
1892 Isaac's second wife is Catherine Turner and he names Sarah Whitmore as his mother on his marriage cert


Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi
I have been looking at Richard James - Stoke Lyne. 1851 Census has his mother as Ann b abt 1781 Adderbury living with him and his Children and 1861 Census has his Brother William b abt 1815 living with him and his family. do you already have this information.

I then had a look at the IGI for Christening Records and can up with all of these. Mother Ann Father Mark James

1. SARAH JAMES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 SEP 1817 Stoke Lyne, Oxford, England
2. JOHN JAMES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 FEB 1821 Stoke Lyne, Oxford, England
3. CATHERINE JAMES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 OCT 1810 Stoke Lyne, Oxford, England
4. RICHARD JAMES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 JUL 1812 Stoke Lyne, Oxford, England
5. WILLIAM JAMES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1815 Stoke Lyne, Oxford, England

No George James yet...
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Hi
I have been having another look at the IGI have found a christening for Mark James 3 Oct 1784 father Henry mother Elizabeth, Stoke Lyne, Oxfordshire, out of 50 Christenings only 1 George James 1841 in Stoke Lyne which is wrong time frame.

Found marriage Mark James to Ann West 23 Oct 1809

You say Richard was a Widow when he married Mary Whitmore was Marcy in the 1841 Census his 1 Wife as he didn't marry Mary until 1850. Looking at the 1841 Census orignal page he is with Robert Sumner b 1786 they are living next door to his mother and brother Ann and William James.
Will look for a Marcy Sumner b abt 1816...

Sandy

[tgjames]

Hi
I have been having another look at the IGI have found a christening for Mark James 3 Oct 1784 father Henry mother Elizabeth, Stoke Lyne, Oxfordshire, out of 50 Christenings only 1 George James 1841 in Stoke Lyne which is wrong time frame.

Found marriage Mark James to Ann West 23 Oct 1809

You say Richard was a Widow when he married Mary Whitmore was Marcy in the 1841 Census his 1 Wife as he didn't marry Mary until 1850. Looking at the 1841 Census orignal page he is with Robert Sumner b 1786 they are living next door to his mother and brother Ann and William James.
Will look for a Marcy Sumner b abt 1816...

Sandy
Hi. If Mark James and Ann West moved to London and had Mary Ann 1822 and George 1824, this might be worth exploring, because that is where they said they were born, this would mean that there brother Richard married a Whitmore. It`s a long shot! TGJ

[JennyP]

Hi
<snip>


You say Richard was a Widow when he married Mary Whitmore was Marcy in the 1841 Census his 1 Wife as he didn't marry Mary until 1850. Looking at the 1841 Census orignal page he is with Robert Sumner b 1786 they are living next door to his mother and brother Ann and William James.
Will look for a Marcy Sumner b abt 1816...

Sandy

If you look at the original image the name looks like Marey not Marcy and I have often found this error because of the flowery r's they used to write. This was why I assumed Mary Whitmore was his wife in 1841. I found her marriage and death certificates later and had not realised the mismatch with 1841 till now. The BMD shows 2 Mary James who died in the Bicester area between 1841 and 1850 but no Marcy or Marey.

Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Hi just a quick one.
I'm off to Banbury in a minute will get back to you later.
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Hi. If Mark James and Ann West moved to London and had Mary Ann 1822 and George 1824, this might be worth exploring, because that is where they said they were born, this would mean that there brother Richard married a Whitmore. It`s a long shot! TGJ

Sorry TGJ I think you are on the wrong track here
I have Ann on the 1841,51,61 Census as a widow still in Stoke Lyne, Oxfordshire.
But I will check Oxfordshire for you
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Hi TGJ
Sorry no Mary Ann born c. 1822 or George born c. 1824/25 father George James mother Mary Ann in any part of Oxfordshire.
No marriage of George James to Mary Ann in Oxfordshire either.
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

JennyP
I'll start again shall I (just typed half a page and lost the b****y lot)

Are you ready for this...

There are no baptisms/christenings for a Samuel or Charlotte Whitmore in Oxfordshire.

The first Whitmore baptisms in Stoke Lyne are the children of Elizabeth and Samuel Whitmore and the children of the son Samuel.

Samuel Whitmore buriel 1843 Stoke Lyne, also a Jane 1820.

to be continued....

[Sandyhall]

Richard James.

A marriage of Richard James to a Mary Dodd 5 April 1836 Stoke Lyne
Children of Richard and Mary from the 1841/51 Census are
William 1838
Rebecca 1840
Samuel 1844
Births Mar 1838 JAMES William, Bicester 16 29
Births Jun 1840 James Rebecca, Bicester 16 34
Births Sep 1842 James Samuel, Bicester 16 *(not compleate no page no.)
Any of these will give you mother's maiden name.

Mary James burial Stoke Lyne - 2 Aug 1850.
No other Burial for Mary James in area.

Mark James (Richard James father) burial Stoke Lyne, age 42 - 23 March 1827.

to be continued......

[Sandyhall]

Just had another look on FreeBMD and found this death for a Mary James
Deaths Sep 1845 JAMES Mary Bicester 16 17
this could be her.

Isaac Whitmore
Born Jan 1834 Hook Norton Union Workhouse Christened 24 April 1836 when he was 27 Months old, natural born son of Hannah Whitmore. (means she was single)
Hannah Whitmore buried Hook Norton - 1 Feb 1835 age 39 (born 1796)
No Hannah Whitmore Christened in Hook Norton

Isaac Whitmore 2nd Marriage to Catherine Turner 24 Feb 1892
Isaac widow of Hook Norton age 56
Catherine Thurner Widower age 55 fathers name William Burton

Sandy
PS missed this out Elizabeth Phillips christened 1 Jan 1792 Stoke Lyne mother Ann father John Phillips.

[Sandyhall]

Hi
Forgot to add no marriages of John Whitmore and Hannah in Hook Norton or Oxfordshire
Sandy

[tgjames]

Well, there you have it in nutshell. The both of you deserve a million dollars and gold stars for all your effort. The gold stars are in the mail to you., As for me, I`m leaving now. I thank you both. Until we meet again. Terry

[JennyP]

Isaac Whitmore
Born Jan 1834 Hook Norton Union Workhouse Christened 24 April 1836 when he was 27 Months old, natural born son of Hannah Whitmore. (means she was single)
Hannah Whitmore buried Hook Norton - 1 Feb 1835 age 39 (born 1796)
No Hannah Whitmore Christened in Hook Norton



Great work Sandy. |bowdown|

That convinces me that the Samuel and Charlotte that you found in Brackley are my Whitmores. The birth dates are right, the location makes sense and there do not seem to be any other possibilities.

I think Isaac Whitmore is going to be a dead end but I think I will pursue John and Hannah Whitmore's children to see if I can glean more info from their marriage certs.

I had wondered if Isaac's mother had been John and Hannah's Sarah. He gave his mother's name as Sarah on his second marriage cert but he could have been illiterate so could not correct what was misheard as something like "It was Sarah" when asked what his mother's name was. Hannah obviously gave him up as he was in the Banbury workhouse in the next census.

I can also go back to Pauline to discuss her ancestors and contact the current Whitmores in the locality.

Anyway, you have provide me with lots of interesting, new information and I am very grateful.
|cheers| Jenny

[Sandyhall]

Well, there you have it in nutshell. The both of you deserve a million dollars and gold stars for all your effort. The gold stars are in the mail to you., As for me, I`m leaving now. I thank you both. Until we meet again. Terry

Terry. Please don't leave us, have you put your post on the Middlesex or London Forums.

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Jenny.

Where did you get the info from about the Hook Norton Whitmore's
I did find Joshua and David on A******y they had moved into Warwickshire and married and had children.
John born abt 1816 you have as one of John and Hannah's children, I have his parents as John and Mary from the parish records yesterday.

Sandy

[JennyP]

Hi Sandy,

I got the info from someone who did an OFHS search for me, but felt it was a dead end at first because there was no sign of Samuel or Charlotte. Now it looks worth investigating as I am sure they must link up with the Brackley families.


Jenny