Looking for inspiration.

[busyglen]

I'm looking for new ideas on where I can go to find Ann Jarvis' parents. This has been a long ongoing saga, with many twists and turns, as some of the older members will know. (Older as in length of membership I quickly add!)

I have traced my gt.gt. grandfather John JARVIS back to being born (illegitimately) in Dunton, Bucks in 1823, although have found no records of birth. His father was shown as John GREEN on John Js marriage cert, and I have so far not looked too closely for him as Green is another common name to research.

I did not know who his mother was (apart from Jarvis) but by some fluke and lots of help from a forum member, I found Ann's marriages to two spouses, before she died, and a child.

She first married Job MOORE in Newington Surrey in 1837. Job died 1838.
Ann then married Thomas CUFF in Southwark, Surrey in 1839, and Thomas died before the 1851 Census, as did Ann in 1849.

The only clue I have to Ann's parents is her father, named on her marriage cert. to Thomas Cuff. He is shown as Richard JARVIS, Tripe Mercht.

I am `assuming' that Ann was born in Bucks, and have been looking for a Richard, with possibly an Ann as wife, who my Ann may have been named after (for lack of anything better). I believe Ann to have been born about 1801, as she is shown as aged 38 in 1839. I found a marriage on IGI of a Ric. JARVIS to Ann ROBERTS in Soulbury, Bucks. in 1796, and wonder if this is a possible? Soulbury is only about 4 miles from Dunton. I've gone through IGI records but can't really find anything that would tie in (assuming that a record is there). I have the Dunton PRs and there is nothing there at all.

Can anyone suggest another way of tackling this that I might be missing? I would really love to get back further, but I have the feeling that I will never know.

I have John's movements to London and marriage, plus his children until he died in 1870, downwards to my father.

Glenys

[Lesley Robertson]

I am `assuming' that Ann was born in Bucks, and have been looking for a Richard, with possibly an Ann as wife, who my Ann may have been named after (for lack of anything better). I believe Ann to have been born about 1801, as she is shown as aged 38 in 1839. I found a marriage on IGI of a Ric. JARVIS to Ann ROBERTS in Soulbury, Bucks. in 1796, and wonder if this is a possible? Soulbury is only about 4 miles from Dunton. I've gone through IGI records but can't really find anything that would tie in (assuming that a record is there). I have the Dunton PRs and there is nothing there at all.

Can anyone suggest another way of tackling this that I might be missing? I would really love to get back further, but I have the feeling that I will never know.

Glenys

If the Jarvis/Roberts pair married in 1796, there's a good chance that they lived to 1837. It might be interesting to know which member of the family gave the info to register their deaths.....

Lesley

[Colin Moretti]

Hello Glenys

Bucks FHS has a number of databases (transcriptions of parish registers, etc) that they will search for a small fee, you can see details here (http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=75). For the PRs you can ask them either to search for all occurrences of a given forename and surname for all parishes and all dates or specify just the surname and they will search over all parishes for a specified 100 year period.

Good luck

Colin

[John Nicholas]

Glenys,

Tripe merchant sounds promising. 'Merchant' seems to imply something more than the 19th century equivalent of a fast-food van! Have you tried the earliest trade directories for any references to Richard?

John

[busyglen]

If the Jarvis/Roberts pair married in 1796, there's a good chance that they lived to 1837. It might be interesting to know which member of the family gave the info to register their deaths.....

Lesley

Good thought Lesley! The only problem with that is Ann was married and living in London in 1837. Nevertheless, something to look at, thanks.

Glenys

[busyglen]

Hello Glenys

Bucks FHS has a number of databases (transcriptions of parish registers, etc) that they will search for a small fee, you can see details here (http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=75). For the PRs you can ask them either to search for all occurrences of a given forename and surname for all parishes and all dates or specify just the surname and they will search over all parishes for a specified 100 year period.

Good luck

Colin
Thanks for that info Colin. I did look at Bucks FHS several years ago, and gleaned a bit of info on son John, but not a lot was available then. I will have another look at this again. Thanks.

Glenys

[busyglen]

Glenys,

Tripe merchant sounds promising. 'Merchant' seems to imply something more than the 19th century equivalent of a fast-food van! Have you tried the earliest trade directories for any references to Richard?

John

Another good thought John! I thought he might have been a butcher, and that was another `posh' name for it! ;) Yet another avenue to look at. Many thanks.

Glenys

[Wilkes_ml]

Have you looked for settlement certificates and bastardy bonds? In most cases, unless the father of the illigitimate child was rich enough to provide for the child, or unless the child died shortly after birth, there may be records relating to the mother's removal.

A single pregnant woman, or one who had just given birth would be likely to become chargeable to the parish of residence - and most parishes would either try to remove her, or try to get the father to pay up! Of course not all records survived, but you may be lucky.

[Wirral]

I have traced my gt.gt. grandfather John JARVIS back to being born (illegitimately) in Dunton, Bucks in 1823, although have found no records of birth. His father was shown as John GREEN on John Js marriage cert, and I have so far not looked too closely for him as Green is another common name to research.

Although GREEN is usually a common name, in the 1841 census there are only 6 GREENs living in Dunton, one of whom is Richard GREEN, c. 3 Jul 1791, mother Mary.

HO107/49/9 folio 4 page 24, Dunton Bucks [all born Bucks]
Richard GREEN 47 Ag lab
Mary " 52
Thomas " 22 Ag lab
James " 21 Ag lab
Mary 72 widow

A couple of doors away is Elizabeth GREEN 40.

In the 1851 census, Richard is described as Ag lab & parish clerk.

[Lesley Robertson]

Good thought Lesley! The only problem with that is Ann was married and living in London in 1837. Nevertheless, something to look at, thanks.

Glenys


There's always the chance that an easier to track sibling gave the info....
Lesley

[busyglen]

Have you looked for settlement certificates and bastardy bonds? In most cases, unless the father of the illigitimate child was rich enough to provide for the child, or unless the child died shortly after birth, there may be records relating to the mother's removal.

A single pregnant woman, or one who had just given birth would be likely to become chargeable to the parish of residence - and most parishes would either try to remove her, or try to get the father to pay up! Of course not all records survived, but you may be lucky.
Yes I did try that a few years ago. If you click on the link below, you will see a thread about the Winslow Workhouse, where I found a record for John, but nothing about Ann.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27004&highlight=Winslow+Workhouse

Glenys NB Sorry, I couldn't get the shortened version of the ulr to work.

[busyglen]

Although GREEN is usually a common name, in the 1841 census there are only 6 GREENs living in Dunton, one of whom is Richard GREEN, c. 3 Jul 1791, mother Mary.

HO107/49/9 folio 4 page 24, Dunton Bucks [all born Bucks]
Richard GREEN 47 Ag lab
Mary " 52
Thomas " 22 Ag lab
James " 21 Ag lab
Mary 72 widow

A couple of doors away is Elizabeth GREEN 40.

In the 1851 census, Richard is described as Ag lab & parish clerk.
Thanks for that. I started looking for John GREEN as that is who John Jarvis gave as his father, but I got totally confused as there appeared to be several in the surrounding area. I actually have the Dunton PRs, but they were for slightly earlier.

I think that the fact that Ann was called Jarvis, and she said her father was Jarvis, I am fairly safe in looking for Richard Jarvis. Also John appears to have been given his mother's name, even though he knew that his father was John Green. :confused: This is so confusing.

Glenys

[busyglen]

There's always the chance that an easier to track sibling gave the info....
Lesley
I don't think that there were any other children Lesley.

Looking at the time span, Ann born around 1801 (according to marriage cert.) or 1811 according to the 1841 Census. John was born out of wedlock in 1823. He marries in Buckingham, as a soldier in 1842 aged 19.
In 1837, his mother Ann appears in London, having married Job Moore. He dies a year later, and no children are found. In 1839 she marries Thomas Cuff and they have a daughter Maria, who is found with them on the 1841 Census. Shortly after both Thomas and then Ann die, and Maria is then found with John and his wife Emma, and their son Alfred in St. Geo. Han. Squ. I haven't been able to trace any further children, especially not in the early days. So....I don't think I can glean any further info in this direction, but thanks for mentioning it. :)

Glenys