Alfred Trotman goes to Canada

[kath]

Hi, having trouble finding a Alfred Trotman born 1868 in Stretton-on-fosse, Warwickshire he left England for Canada some time between 1891 and 1901. Which port was the most used for this journey? He ended up living in Toronto.|help|

He would likely have entered Canada either through Halifax or Quebec city. In the 1911 census it gives an immigration year, but you would need the correct entry...

Was Alfred married to a Sarah?

Sue

A quick look through the ships lists shows the following

1.Alfred Trotman age unknown left from Liverpool in 1908 to Halifax he was a labourer

2. adult Trotman age unknown left Liverpool 1890 for St. Johns


3. adult Trotman born 1870 left Liverpool in 1900 for Quebec

there are some others about 22 in all with or without names or initials but most are not within he dates.

Kath :)

Thank you yes he was married to Sarah. Thank you Kath ive found out he travelled twice once in 1890 and again in 1908:)

And was Sarah Dutch? If so he is on the 1911 Canadian Census with family.

Found marriage
Alfred Trotman b Warwickshire, England 1865
parents Thomas and Ann Trotman
married Sarah Crosson age 38, b 1857 Wigloushire, Scotland Parents John and Grace
married 22 Sept 1895 York, Ontario, Canada

residence Oakville, Ontario

If this is what you want pm me and I will email attachment to view original doc.

Does it say she is dutch on the census?

It is hard to read so could say Scotch. I didn't enlarge it to view it. He should also be on the 1906 census if married 1895 as well as the 1901 census.

Did the email send ok?

Thank you recieved them both! Are they on the 1921 census?

Yes. I have just sent 3 attachments to you. Enlarge to 200% and print out current view - I also print out the original form so I can see what the columns say - It is a big sheet. Use landscape long sheets. I can now close that screen. Good job! I'm glad I was able to help :D

If the attachments don't work I could possibly save them and resend as a .jpg but won't be the same.

[trotman]

Hi, im having trouble tracing a decendent of mine his name was Alfred Trotman b.1868 in Stretton-on-fosse warwickshire i know he moved to Oakville,Ontario,Canada between 1891 and 1901 but i cant find any record of him leaving the country.|help|

[Marie C..]

There is an alfred Trotman sailing on the ss Grampian Jan 17 1908. He is a labourer bound for Halifax. Any use?

[trotman]

Thanks! Where did he depart from?

[Marie C..]

Liverpool to St. Johns. on Allen Line steamship. master Ed Outram.
Have you the right Fred?
There seems to be only one family in Warks living in Shakespeare St. Stratford age 21 in 1891. Parents Alfred and Sarah. Alfred junior was a Cooper by trade(father a brewery labourer). The Alfred Trotman off to Canada was a labourer. M

[trotman]

Alfred Trotman b.1863 or b.1868 father was Thomas Trotman b.1840 mother Ann Ghilson b.1840

[BeeJay]

There is an Alfred Trotman in the 1911 census, living in Oakville, Ontario, born about 1865. He gives his immigration year as 1889.

:)

[Marie C..]

The Alfred Trotman born Stretton on Fosse was bap. 30th Nov 1862 parents Thomas and Ann. Is he yours?
Who did he marry? M
I think Beej's is the more likely one time-wise M

[Mary Anne]

trotman

Here he is arriving in Canada (Halifax) on the Grampian, 25 January 1908:

Alfred Trotman, age 45, Teamster, married, born England, Place of ultimate destination: Oakville, Ontario

AND stamped "RET'D CANADIANS" so he must have emigrated before this voyage! [edit - OK this would fit with what BeeJay found that he said he emigrated in 1889....]


(All of this from microfilm roll T-503 at Library and Archives Canada, using the index created for them by A***)

And, to answer your other post, yes, during this period the major port of arrival was Halifax. See Pier 21, here: www.pier21.ca


Mary Anne

[trotman]

Thats him! i dont know who he married i lose track of him until he gets to canada! So he travelled twice, his son died in a cabin fire in 1933 which was reported in the The Toronto Daily Star. Is a Teamster something to do with the railway?

[Mary Anne]

trotman

Here he is with family in Oakville in 1901 census:

Alfred Trotman, head, married, year of birth: 1868 [OK, so he lied...], age 33;
Sarah Trotman, wife, married, month, date & year of birth: Apr 6 1855, age 46;
Stennett Agnes O., step-daughter, single, month, date & year of birth: May 14 1892, age 9;
Alfred Trotman, son, single, month, date & year of birth: Dec 24 1896, age 5;
William Houston, adopted, single, month, date & year of birth: Jun 2 1895, age 6.

REFERENCE: Oakville (Town/Ville), HALTON, ONTARIO
District Number: 68
Subdistrict Number: h-2
Archives Microfilm: T-6471

(this from Automated Genealogy)

[trotman]

Thank you |wave|

[Mary Anne]

trotman

According to the definition on the Wiki definition of the Teamsters' Union: "A teamster was originally a person who drove a team of oxen, a horse or mule-drawn wagon, or a mule train; but the word currently refers to professional truck drivers."

So, I would say, within the railway, he was driving something - perhaps not the engine, because it would identify him as an engine driver, I think, but working in the area of baggage or freight handling , I would guess.

For the 1901 census, if you could find someone who could look at the whole page, it should also give his occupation as of 1901, it's just that the scan in Automated Genealogy only shows the one page with the people's names (damn!).

Mary Anne

[trotman]

Thank you! You have been very helpfull:)

[Mary Anne]

You're welcome!

[Mary Anne]

trotman

The 1921 census for Canada has not been released yet.

Mary Anne

[susan-y]

They are in Oakville on the 1911 census and she (Sarah is listed as Scotch.
Sue

[BeeJay]

trotman
For the 1901 census, if you could find someone who could look at the whole page, it should also give his occupation as of 1901.

Mary Anne

That page in the 1901 census is a bit faded but it looks like his occupation is "Teamster (general)".

His birthdate is given as 19 Oct 1868 and his year of immigration 1888.

:)

[v.wells]

Alll my posts to Trotman have disappeared! Why:confused:

I emailed the 3 transcripts he needed about 5-6 hours ago!

[susan-y]

Alll my posts to Trotman have disappeared! Why:confused:

I emailed the 3 transcripts he needed about 5-6 hours ago!

Vanessa..

.Look at the first post... everything is scrambled|help|

Sue

[MarkJ]

I think you are correct there Sue. Looks as though a couple of different threads were merged and somehow they have ended up getting all muddled (and presumably resulted in Vanessas posts going astray). If the time of posting on each of those threads matched the time of posting on another, I suppose it is possible that messages were lost or incorrectly copied to another posters message.

A failing in the VBulletin software I would think, although to be fair, most software would have problems merging several threads together to create one.

I will mention the problem to Pam - she *may* be able to recover Vanessas posts (fingers crossed!), but I am not promising anything as the posts may be lost :(

It does demonstrate the reasons behind trying to keep posts on a specific person to one thread, rather than making several threads in different places about a person or family I suppose. But not much help to Vanessa when she posted useful info and it seems to have been lost in the digital ether :(

Mark

[susan-y]

Mark...

I had a small posting in that mess and when I replied mine was the only reply for quite awhile....... its still there, but all mixed up!

Guess time-wise your birthday is over......Vanessa and I thought maybe you needed a little more cheer|laugh1||laugh1|

Sue

[MarkJ]

Time-wise the birthday is "technically" over, but I am still here and enjoying my glass or several of Scotlands finest ;)

So far, I haven't been able to confuzzle the merge thing with my tests - but I am sure I will be able to :D

I have asked Pam if there is any way to unravel things, but I know she will be in bed by now, so tomorrow hopefully we may discover if there is a way to sort things :)

Mark :)

[v.wells]

Mark...

I had a small posting in that mess and when I replied mine was the only reply for quite awhile....... its still there, but all mixed up!

Guess time-wise your birthday is over......Vanessa and I thought maybe you needed a little more cheer|laugh1||laugh1|

Sue

I am a grumpy old woman! And I am positive I don't have Ahlzeimer's! I cannot think of anything more to say except that I am "ticked" off, supremely.

[v.wells]

Vanessa..

.Look at the first post... everything is scrambled|help|

Sue
Never noticed that - I was only skimming to see where I was and I wasn't.

Now I know I'm not crazy:D It's the pc evil doers out there in nether land and there's no full moon here:D

[MarkJ]

Vanessa, I have been experimenting and found that if someone "merges" posts, it is possible to accidentally add another persons posts under another members post. Procat posted in my "test" and I merged the posts which left his post under my own name and added to my post. Are your messages in the Trotman thread, perhaps merged into another members post?

Mark

[v.wells]

Huh? I can't even add smileys outside of B-G and you want me to what? :eek:

I think this requires a conference call |5cups|

[MarkJ]

Huh? I can't even add smileys outside of B-G and you want me to what? :eek:

I think this requires a conference call |5cups|

:D

I mean, did your messages end up stuck into someone elses posts in the Trotman thread? From what I have seen so far with the merging experiments I have tried, it *is* possible to accidentally stick someones posts into another members post - so the post still exists, but isn't under your name - it is incorporated into another persons post.
If you look through the Trotman thread, you may well find your posts have been jumbled into another persons posting. It would be accidental and you wouldn't have done it - it would have happened accidentally when posts were merged by one of the Moderators (not me! not me!)

Mark

[susan-y]

Mark...

There are messages from Trotman, Vanessa and myself all in that first post . As Vanessa has said..all day they were seperate posts, now they are all merged.

Somehow the times are all screwed up...for example Trotman posted first..before Kath yet everything is under Kath's name and all mixed. No one answered until I asked if his wife was Sarah and where he was born and then a few more posts came in, such as the help from Vanessa. The posts you see were later on..
Have fun;

|snore| Sue

[MarkJ]

The joys of the Moderation tools ;)
Not guilty myself this time :D

But as you say Sue, it is possible to accidentally merge posts into one message - if you look in the "Test" section of the forum, I was messing around and managed to merge a post by Procat (Doug) into my own post when I was experimenting with how the merging tools worked. I suspect this is how the messages all ended up jumbled up as they did.

All good fun. I won't make any attempt to sort things tonight (too many birthday drinkies now!), but hopefully we can at least learn from tonights problems for future reference.

Mark

[Mary Anne]

It looks to me as if the text of a lot of Vanessa's posts got merged into the post that is currently first, all of which is attributed to kath...

confusing indeed :confused:

The real question is, where is trotman and did he/she get the info?! or did we scare him/her away? :D

[Ladkyis]

I did it, I am so sorry, I clicked the wrong button and instead of merging two threads I merged the posts of one thread and then merged that thread with the other thread - I didn't mean to do it like that honestly and I have apologised to Vanessa. I didn't mean to upset anyone and will leave the serious clicking to people with slower fingers that me.

There was no 'undo' button for me to put it back either, and I won't bore you all with what happened to my internet connection after that. It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.

[susan-y]

|hug|
to Ladkyis

Some days we just need it

|hug|

Sue

[v.wells]

It looks to me as if the text of a lot of Vanessa's posts got merged into the post that is currently first, all of which is attributed to kath...

confusing indeed :confused:

The real question is, where is trotman and did he/she get the info?! or did we scare him/her away? :D

Yes I pm hiim/her and info was received. I had sent attachments to email via another site. :D

[v.wells]

|hug|
to Ladkyis

Some days we just need it

|hug|

Sue

From me too Ladkyis. It's a bright spanking new day |jumphappy

[Mary Anne]

|hug|Not your fault Ladkyis |computer| Bad computer, bad computer!!!

"There should always be an undo button"





P.S. Oooooooh, look at all them "L"s!!!!! Thank you Pam!! |angel|