Conder.-Cambridgeshire.

[Keith Daniells]

Thomas Conder. B 1814 Guilden Morden, Cambs. Wife, Ann Gentle 1816. Married AMJ 1842 Royston Vol 6 Page 723. Died AMJ 1871 Royston Vol 3a Page 182. Children, May 1843 John 1844 ( My GG Grandfather) Thomas 1846 Fanny 1850 James 1850 William 1857 (James and William to be confirmed) all born in Guilden Morden.
I beleive his father was William Conder 1792-1875 Guilden Morden who married Sarah Thompson 1790-1861 No other info on him.

Would like to hear from anyone with connection or info.

[kinshar]

Hi

Found these extracted from records on IGI

Thomas Conder
Christening 10 Feb 1815
Parents William Conder & Sarah

Thomas Conder & Ann Gentle Marriage
Ann's name spelt Gentel
27 May 1842 Guilden Morden Cambs

William Conder
Christening 8 April 1792 Guilden Morden Cambs
Parents Richard Conder & Elizabeth

William Conder & Sarah Thompson Marriage
Sarah's name spelt Tomson
7 Dec 1811 Abington Piggots Cambs

Abington Piggots is a village next to Guilden Morden. Royston is the nearest large Town to both villages

Sarah Thompson
Christening Nov 1794 Abington Piggots Cambs
Parents John Thompson & Ann

John Thompson & Ann Pearce marriage
10 Dec 1791 Guilden Morden Cambs.


Kinshar

[Keith Daniells]

Thanks Kinshar that gives me more to go on.

[janbooth]

Hello Keith,

I have Thomas CONDER as a twig in my family tree. He married Ann GENTLE on 27 May 1842 at Guilden Morden. Ann was the widow of Francis GENTLE (born 8 January 1819 at Ashwell, father William mother Ann nee WALDOCK) and they married on 14 October 1840 at Guilden Morden. They had 1 child - Anne baptised 14 March 1841 at Ashwell (IGI) and she was buried 17 July 1841 at Guilden Morden, aged 3. Francis GENTLE was buried 25 May 1841 at Ashwell, aged 22. Ann GENTLE was born Ann Docwra PIGOTT and baptised 14 September 1820 at Guilden Morden, father Rowland mother Mary nee DOCWRA. Thomas CONDER was baptised 10 February 1815 father William CONDER mother Sarah nee TOMSON. William and Sarah were married 7 December 1811 at Abington Pigotts (IGI) and Sarah was born abt 1792 at Abington Piggots according to the 1851 census of Guilden Morden.

My major source of information is the parish register transcripts of Guilden Morden except where otherwise stated. I do have a bit more info on the CONDER line so if you would like it, let me know and I will send you an email.

Janet

[Keith Daniells]

Janet. Thankyou for that information. I have yet to start ordering parish register transcripts form Parish Chest. Any info you can pass on about the Conder line other than whats on the transcripts would be most helpful.

Keith.

[janbooth]

Keith,

All the info I have comes from the parish register transcripts, so if you are planning on ordering them I will only be duplicating the information. My line of interest is in Ann Docwra PIGOTTs first husband Francis GENTLE and his family. You will need to order the parish register transcripts of both Guilden & Steeple Morden plus Bassingbourn for the CONDER & PIGGOTT families. Be aware when researching Ann's ancestors, that the surnames DOCWRA and PIGGOTT seem to be interchangeable on the transcripts and also the variations in the surname PIGGOTT as it is spelled in a variety of fashions (including PICKET and its variations the further back you go).

William CONDER's father Richard was born in Ashwell c1762 and I do have Ashwell parish register transcriptions if you need them. They are available in book form from Ashwell Education Services (plus many other Ashwell records) if you would like them.

Good luck and let me know if I can help further.

Janet

[Keith Daniells]

Thanks Janet. Just one question. The Ashwell p.r. transcriptions, are they only available in book form?

Keith.

[janbooth]

As far as I know they are only available in that form. Unfortunately, Hertfordshire is not particularly well served with parish register information available to purchase. Luckily for me, my mother was born in Ashwell and parts of her line go back to the early 1600's there and Ashwell is one of the few parishes that has been transcribed in any detail. Have a look on the website I gave you and see what is available. Militia lists of Hertfordshire parishes are also available in booklet form via Genfair. The Parish Chest has Burial Index records and Monumental Inscriptions of some parishes (again in booklet form) produced by Royston FHS. and there is an online marriage index searchable at HALS.

HTH

Janet

[Keith Daniells]

Thanks again Janet. I will start searching and see what comes up as available.

[Nickwill]

Hi Keith,

I am searching for info on the ancestoral family of Herbert John Conder, born 1872 in Hitchin, Hertfordhire. He married Mary Ellen Rutter in South Africa and then went on to settle in New Zealand. I was wondering if anyone knows whether there was a connection to the Conders that settled in Marton, New Zealand or the Conders of Guilden Morden. The 1881 census has him living with his mother Fanny and sister Mary E in Wortley in Bramley in Yorkshire.

[janbooth]

I'm butting in on this one as a Family Tree on Ancestry shows Herbert John as the son of John CONDER & Fanny BOLTON and that John CONDER was born c1844 in Guilden Morden the son of Thomas CONDOR & Ann Docwra PIGOTT. If this turns out to be correct (John & Fanny's marriage record should confirm if his father was indeed Thomas), then I should be able to help you with information regarding both Thomas & Ann if Keith cannot. The marriage of John CONDER & Fanny BOLTON was registered in the September qtr 1864 at Doncaster reg district and Herbert John CONDER's birth is registered in the March qtr 1872 at Hitchin reg district.

Janet

[janbooth]

Not too sure the Ancestry Tree is correct mind you. Looking for John & Fanny on the 1871 census, I think I have found them in Hitchin (Ancestry have them transcribed as CULLER) living at Nightingale Road. John is described as a Railway Guard born c1841 in Norton, Yorkshire - a long way from Guilden Morden! (RG10/1368, folio 97, page 1)

John CONDER looks to be in Bolton upon Dearne in the 1861 census (RG9/3515, folio 35, page 11) shown as an Apprentice Blacksmith living in the household of James DUKE, Blacksmith, and family.

John looks as if he is in Doncaster Workhouse in the 1851 census, shown as aged 10 and born in Doncaster. Tracing him further back is therefore a bit more problematical and you really need the information from his marriage certificate.

HTH anyway.

Janet

[Keith Daniells]

Hi Nickwill, I have a lot of info relating to the Conder's from Guilden Morden including a Herbert Conder who was NOT born in Hitchin, but I have not followed any lines that may have gone to New Zealand also no connection as yet to Yorkshire.

[Nickwill]

Thank you Janet, this is most helpful. One of the themes running through this family is the railways. The 1871 census has John as a railway guard, Fanny as an attendant in 1881 and Herbert her son left England to work on the railways in South Africa. John looks to have died after 1874 (his daughters birth) as Fanny is a widow by 1881. There is a John Conder who died in Hitchin in 1875, probably him. The other theme appears to be a propensity to travel.

[Keith Daniells]

I have as follows.

Thomas Conder married Ann Gentel (widow) who's father was Rowland Piggot. as per marriage certificate. They had a son John Conder 1844 as per birth certificate. John married Jane Parish Oct 5th 1865 as per marriage certificate. (bit of a rush on the marriage as) they had Herbert Oct 26th 1865 in Bassingbourne as per birth certificate. They also had Arthur John (my ggrandfather) Herbert went on to marry Matilda Starr in 1890, again as per marrige certificate. He later move to Langham,Rutland and died in 1950. I will email copies of all certificates if they are of any help.

Keith

[Nickwill]

Thank you Keith, Those certificates would be most helpful.

[Keith Daniells]

Will need an email address or you can contact me at: beedan AT ozemail DOT com DOT au

Keith

[Nickwill]

It now appears that Herbert John Conders' wife, Mary Ellen Rutter was previously married to a William Chester (in 1891) before leaving the UK and marrying in South Africa in 1897. I presume William must have died?!. Does anyone have any tips on how to work out which of the many William Chesters that died between 1891 and 1897 is my man...or is it a process of elimination? I have narrowed it down to two suspects by looking at deaths in Cheshire, one aged 22, the other 48...The younger one is probably the right one, but that makes him 4 years younger than his wife. Not sure if that was common back then?