Is there a Jersey Disaster 1861 to 1891?

[Raffaele]

Hi
I am tracing the Samuel Root family from Brightlingsea, Essex, England.
The family appeared on the 1841 census in Brighltingsea, by the 1851 census they had moved to Steyning near Shoreham, Sussex. I next located them in Jersey on the 1861 census less our direct ancestor Samuel jnr who next appears in Cornwall geting married in 1870. The rest of the Family, Samuel, Susanna his wife and children Elizabeth, Nathan and Daniel all simply dissappear. No marriage or death records. Clearly they were a mobile family, did they perish on ship leaving Jersey for the mainland. Has anyone heard of shipwreck during this period? Thanks.

[bumblebee]

Is this Nathan in 1861

N Root born Brightlingsea Essex, Seaman.

Class: RG9; Piece: 4540; Folio: 56; Page:

Are the rest of them mistranscribed?

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

Just in case anyone else is looking for the 1861 - it is a bad transcript, second Mathan is Daniel.

Jersey, St Martin (transcript has this down as Holyhead, Anglesey)

Saml Toot 50
Susa Toot 49
Elizth Toot 21
Mathan Toot 19 (enumerated twice - occupation Mariner)
Mathan Toot 14

Class: RG9; Piece: 4403; Folio: 56; Page: 16;

So cannot be Nathan in census above.

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

Have you checked the channel island BMD's? cannot see anything immediately but as Mariners I suppose they could have gone anywhere.

Bumblebee

[Peter_uk_can]

Many of my ancestors are from the Channel islands.

They often fished of the Grand Banks and transported cattle to the North American continent.

Worth searching the U.S and Canada.

[Raffaele]

The 1861 Census is a mess but it is the family all born in Brightlingsea

Samuel - born c. 1811
Susanna - born c. 1815
Married 1838 3rd qtr Lexden
Elizabeth - b 1839 qtr 3
Nathan - b 1842 - have yet to locate birth record
Daniel - b 1844 qtr 4
Samuel - b 1846 qtr 2

Samuel had a son Samuel who had a Daniel who had a Daniel who was my wife's father.

I just don't like great holes I cannot account for. I was far happier when I located the Root family less Samuel in Jersey. You are always worried that whilst a Samuel Root turns up in Cornwall, right age and born in Brightlingsea that you might just turn up another one.

Thanks for your interest

[bumblebee]

This could be Nathan's birth record.

Nathan Roote, 1841 Q4 Lexden Essex 12 128

Bumblebee

[Lesley Robertson]

Many of my ancestors are from the Channel islands.

They often fished of the Grand Banks and transported cattle to the North American continent.

Worth searching the U.S and Canada.

Han't the National Archive got a "Deaths at Sea" section?
Lesley

[Raffaele]

Bumblebee - thanks for the Nathan Roote Birth record. I will check it out.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I had looked briefly at the US and there are an awaful lot of Root families out there. We are off to Devon this weekend to see my wife's brother and may glean a little more family history which might throw some light on the root breakup.

I have only been on this task for a few weeks now and set myself the task of getting all the family back to around 1800 and all documented. I now have both sides of my wifes family back to around 1790.

My personal line is Italian from 1900 back and I am trying to establish some connections there. My great grandfather was Raffaele Staiano from a village called Scala just North of Milan. Learning to speak italian and a cheap flight looks to be the first step.

Thanks for your help

[Sue Mackay]

I have moved this to the Channel Islands Forum in case people with local knowledge can help.

I have a terrible confession to make. Until all the recent housekeeping I didn't know that we had a Channel Islands Forum :o

[Raffaele]

Thanks Sue. If anyone has any knowledge of any incident I would be grateful.

[Stewart Hill]

Two sites which you may find of interest.

The first is in Canadian French but lists people from the Channel Islands who settled in In Gaspe, Newfoundland. http://tonylesauteur.com/arbre11.htm

The second is for the Societe Jersiaise. I know that they have a list of sailors who died at sea and also lists of sailors who sailed in Jersey registered boats from 1851 (I think that's the date). http://www.societe-jersiaise.org/ They are very helpful and I'm sure if you email them they will help. I would normally do a lookup for you but I'm off on holiday for 3 weeks (hooray).

Finally there was a cholera outbreak aroung 1861!

... and even more finally, shame on you for not knowing there was a Channel Islands Forum.

Stewart

[Sue Mackay]

... and even more finally, shame on you for not knowing there was a Channel Islands Forum.

Stewart

I am rightly chastised and duly contrite, but made amends by transferring this and one other thread to their rightful home.

I've been to Jersey twice and it's a wonderful island.

[Raffaele]

Stewart, many thanks for your suggestions and have a good holiday.

The rest of the family are not in the direct line of descent. One son, Samuel married in Cornwall in 1870. Whilst the family were mariners/fishermen Samuel must have apprenticed at the time the other went to Jersey as he is reported in the 1901 census as Ships Mate of the Mary of Plymouth harboured in Devon.

I have searched the US census for them with no luck, the break seemed so sudden that a disaster of some sort could have occured. Looking at Gorey Pier now, it would have been many fishing families living cheek by jowl so Cholera could have accounted for them.

I am happier now that I have some answer, I may well research this more deeply later. Many thanks.