The problem with issues

[Geoffers]

Has anyone else noticed that no one ever seem to have a problem now? - Everyone seems to have 'issues'.

This problem seems to have crept up on us insiduously over the last 15 years. People are described as 'having issues' and yesterday I even heard someone refer to a difficulty as being 'issuematic' (I shudder at the thought of it).

Now I am aware that English is a language which is in constant transition; its diversity is fantastic; but let's not forget the use of some basic words that have stood the test of time.

Please folks, let's have a few good old fashioned problems.

Thank you, I feel better now.

[Geoffers]

The two phrases which drive me crazy are;
1. I know where you are coming from.

To which my usual response is "So you've been to Charlbury?"

Whilst I am theraputically venting my spleen, another thing which I hate to see is the name of some (more-or-less) well known person on a book and underneath the words 'my autobiography' - of course it is their autobiography!

I shall now take my dogs for a walk to complete my rejuvination.

[VivP]

What a relief to find other people who feel the same way about that word!

Another nasty one is ... stressed.


Geoffers - we have two ex-teenage sons, now 20 and 22. I do wish they'd leave home like normal people used to!

[Jan1954]

What a relief to find other people who feel the same way about that word!

Another nasty one is ... stressed. http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee187/Jan_07/chillpillsmile.gif



Geoffers - we have two ex-teenage sons, now 20 and 22. I do wish they'd leave home like normal people used to!Change the locks...

[Lesley Robertson]

My current pet hate is "robust" as in "Yes, I know that's a bit robust"... which translates as "Yes, I know that's a nastly piece of backstabbing".....

[michaelpipe]

And have you noticed the apparent lack of any knowledge of grammar exhibited by many newspaper reporters - criteria for their job used to be a command of the English language. The same can be said for those who write the news reports for TV etc.

Certainly some big ISSUES here, (cringe).

Michael

[Guest]

One I hate is seeing signs in shops which advertise chests with "draws" instead of "drawers".

I suppose that if the "draws" stick, buyers would be advised to "leverage" them open |banghead|

Graham

[busyglen]

One of my pet hates is the use of three words instead of one, such as: `I, myself, personally' or any permutation of these words. |idea| Wasn't there a song called `Me, myself and I' or did I dream it?

Glenys

[Jan1954]

|idea| Wasn't there a song called `Me, myself and I' or did I dream it?

GlenysBillie Holliday - 1930s - but you are too young to remember it. :D

[busyglen]

Billie Holliday - 1930s - but you are too young to remember it. :D

Ah yes....you are right, not quite that old, but I still remember hearing it at some time. ;)

Glenys

[beachbaby]

Most overworked word around here seems to be

AWESOME!!!

I cringe everytime someone says it!

|wave| Teri

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

I hate it when News readers, (who should know better) ...... say *Lorand order* instead of Law and Order.

Plus *drawring*, instead of drawing.

[Mutley]

I have a friend who adds the word

"unbelievable" to the end of virtually every sentence. If there were that many things happening that were unbelievable nothing would be left to be believed!

[v.wells]

When the Americans attacked Iraq looking for Saddam the US media kept talking about "Shockinaw" - I was befuddled thinking of a place with such a name until I listened to our Canadian news saying "Shock and Awe":o

Another thorn is the use of the word "like" every other word "like, you know"!

[Astoria]

|shakehead
If we didn't have issues, how would we ever get closure

[susan-y]

Like Wow! This Isssue is Awesome... Unbelievable !!

Sorry, I had to add my 2 cents worth!!!!!!!!

|5cups||5cups|

Sue

[Thomasin]

Another overworked word is VULNERABLE. You can't watch the news any more without it cropping up several times - and why oh why can't they pronounce it properly?

Thomasin

[Thomasin]

........ and another thing - why do people keep putting question marks at the end of sentences that are not a question?

Thomasin (gritting teeth)

[arthurk]

Another thorn is the use of the word "like" every other word "like, you know"!

The "like" which I have issues with is where it has become a part of the verb "to say", as in "I'm like, 'Who do you think you are?'" (Add expletives etc to taste and repeat ad nauseam.)

However, the usage that annoys me most is the way some newsreaders introduce another person. Instead of saying, for example, "Here's John Smith, our business correspondent" or "Our business correspondent, John Smith, filed this report" we get "There was more turbulence on the stock market today. John Smith is our business correspondent" at which said John Smith launches straight into his spiel.

OK, maybe I'm a pedant. Whatever. Mangling the laguage is nothing new, though, narmean?

Arthur

[Jan1954]

The word(s) that annoys me most is, "Innit".

Quite often heard at the end of a sentence, where "Isn't it" or "Is it not?" would be wholly inappropriate.

[Astoria]

Why do people with a really long and often boring story, always start their diatribe with, WELL TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT?

AND

"At the end of the day......"

[Waitabit]

regarding all the above,................ABSOLUTELY !! :D

[Mutley]

I am now busy looking back over past posts to see if I have written somethink wrong. :)

[Patricia Anne]

What drives me insane is the use of the word 'of' instead of have as in 'I could of done that'. Aaaaaargh!!
Children at school write it in their home work and it is never corrected by the teacher. What ever happened to the list of corrections at the bottom of your homework page that had to be written three times and then handed in to be re-marked.
The world has gone mad! |help|
Tricia

[busyglen]

What drives me insane is the use of the word 'of' instead of have as in 'I could of done that'. Aaaaaargh!!
Children at school write it in their home work and it is never corrected by the teacher. What ever happened to the list of corrections at the bottom of your homework page that had to be written three times and then handed in to be re-marked.
The world has gone mad! |help|
Tricia

I heartily agree with that Patricia! I cringe every time I hear it, especially when it is a grown up, who supposedly would have learnt the correct word.

Another word I hate is somethink!

Glenys

[michaelpipe]

Then there are the Supermarket Checkout Chicks who repeat parrot fashion "have a nice day", or "how are you going to spend the rest of the day?".
Don't you wan't to tell them to mind their own b****y bussiness? But then one runs the risk of being a "Grumpy Old Man/Woman":D:D

[ash33au]

I've noticed the change in language as well. Australian language is quite unique to the rest of the world and I've noticed a lot of American terms creeping in.

In the future has changed to Going forward. Eg If you are going to record a good family tree record, you have a lot of work to do going forward. I don't like it.

Those little paper towels you use to wipe your mouth used to be called serviettes and are now called napkins.

Newcomers are now Rookies.

Beers are Brews.

Mobile phones are Cell phones.

Pubs are Bars and they serve coffee.

Soft drink is becoming Soda.

Airline staff were always called Hostesses, now we call them Stewardesses.

Four wheel drive vehicles are now SUV's.

Lollies are now Candy.

I could go on all day long...

I can't believe how many people have no idea what a dunny/loo/outhouse is. Apparently its now a water closet, rest room or bathroom.


Give me a break!!!

[ash33au]

What drives me insane is the use of the word 'of' instead of have as in 'I could of done that'.

One of my absolute pet hates...

[michaelpipe]

I've noticed the change in language as well. Australian language is quite unique to the rest of the world and I've noticed a lot of American terms creeping in.

In the future has changed to Going forward. Eg If you are going to record a good family tree record, you have a lot of work to do going forward. I don't like it.

Those little paper towels you use to wipe your mouth used to be called serviettes and are now called napkins.

Newcomers are now Rookies.

Beers are Brews.

Mobile phones are Cell phones.

Pubs are Bars and they serve coffee.

Soft drink is becoming Soda.

Airline staff were always called Hostesses, now we call them Stewardesses.

Four wheel drive vehicles are now SUV's.

Lollies are now Candy.

I could go on all day long...

I can't believe how many people have no idea what a dunny/loo/outhouse is. Apparently its now a water closet, rest room or bathroom.


Give me a break!!!


Must be a Victorian thingy - South Australia still has mobile phones, Lollies, beer, soft drinks etc, but then SA doesn't have convict heritage so I guess we are different!!:D:D

[Mutley]

Airline staff were always called Hostesses, now we call them Stewardesses.



Better than 'Trolley Dollies'

[Guest]

Just to be pedantic :D

I think cell phone is the original term and mobile phone came along later.

A distant cousin used to be CEO of Racal South Africa and did a lot of the work on development of them - he always uses the term cell phone.

Graham

[ash33au]

Must be a Victorian thingy - South Australia still has mobile phones, Lollies, beer, soft drinks etc, but then SA doesn't have convict heritage so I guess we are different!!:D:D

Yes but it is still 1976 in South Australia |jumphappy

[Peter_uk_can]

Geoffers - we have two ex-teenage sons, now 20 and 22. I do wish they'd leave home like normal people used to!


Then stop feeding them

[Peter_uk_can]

Hi team. Appreciate the heads up on this issue and will expect that goiing forward we will be able to integrate the thought processes into the quality review agenda. At this moment in time the concensus seems to be that change is an inevitable consequence that we all have to address regardless of station. There is a clear vista of where some of you are coming from on diverse stages but human resources have mandated that sufficient down time has to be applied prior to the rollout of any unold operations.

Have a nice day.

[suedent]

Hi team. Appreciate the heads up on this issue and will expect that goiing forward we will be able to integrate the thought processes into the quality review agenda. At this moment in time the concensus seems to be that change is an inevitable consequence that we all have to address regardless of station. There is a clear vista of where some of you are coming from on diverse stages but human resources have mandated that sufficient down time has to be applied prior to the rollout of any unold operations.

Have a nice day.

Oh dear, that sounds scarily like a manager I used to know!

[susan-y]

Hi team. Appreciate the heads up on this issue and will expect that goiing forward we will be able to integrate the thought processes into the quality review agenda. At this moment in time the concensus seems to be that change is an inevitable consequence that we all have to address regardless of station. There is a clear vista of where some of you are coming from on diverse stages but human resources have mandated that sufficient down time has to be applied prior to the rollout of any unold operations.

Have a nice day.

Oh dear..... I think this refers to Geoffers first post....

"Issuematic"

:) Sue

[v.wells]

Oh dear, that sounds scarily like a manager I used to know!

Too business like to read first thing in the morning!:D

[Guest]

Oh dear, that sounds scarily like a manager I used to know!

A manager in name rather than ability no doubt :D

Graham

[peter nicholl]

Billie Holliday - 1930s - but you are too young to remember it. :D
|wave| Well, if 1954 is significant and doesn't just mean that you are a member of at least another 1953 other fora, then I would have put you down as more Joan Armatrading than Bilie Holliday.

[michaelpipe]

Hi team. Appreciate the heads up on this issue and will expect that goiing forward we will be able to integrate the thought processes into the quality review agenda. At this moment in time the concensus seems to be that change is an inevitable consequence that we all have to address regardless of station. There is a clear vista of where some of you are coming from on diverse stages but human resources have mandated that sufficient down time has to be applied prior to the rollout of any unold operations.

Have a nice day.


"Like - whaat??"

[Jan1954]

|wave| Well, if 1954 is significant and doesn't just mean that you are a member of at least another 1953 other fora, then I would have put you down as more Joan Armatrading than Bilie Holliday.Just had parents who were stuck in the 1930s and 1940s. I can tell you all about the Inkspots and Glen Miller too... :o

[Ladkyis]

I hate it when News readers, (who should know better) ...... say *Lorand order* instead of Law and Order.

Plus *drawring*, instead of drawing.


She's a very nice girl that Laura Norder, I have threatened to do her family tree one day

[susan-y]

My late mother-in-law used to say "warsh' instead of "wash" as in " I'll warsh the dishes". She blamed it on her Dutch ancestors |scold|. I'm back a few generations.... still NO Dutch ancestors:confused:
Sue

[Pollyvent]

Hi All

While on the subject of the English Language when did the word Enquire or Enquiry change to Inquire or Inquiry?

Pauline

[Peter_uk_can]

Pauline, I think it was about the time they started fitting "tires" to cars, paying for them with a "check" and putting "garbage into a trash can".

[JohnN]

On the subject of pronunciation, it makes my blood boil to hear otherwise presentabe newsreaders in this country adding syllables where the don't belong. This is something that has arisen only in recent years. Some examples:

Law-wah (law), daw-wa (door), maw-wah (more), bee-yah (bear), hee-yah (here), grow-wan (grown), blow-wan (blown), know-wan (known).

The most recent language-mangling that set my teeth on edge was a reference to the world-wide financial emergency which was announced as 'The ger-lobal financial crisis'.

It seems to be a 'bloke' thing, but is practised by women as much as by men.

|rant| |rant| |rant|

Thank you - I feel better now....

[VivP]

Most of these dreadful words and phrases seem to have come from those people across the water, who live in the USA. Is it racist to write that? My theory - open to alteration by you, please - is that so many millions of people over there didn't have English as a first language, that their common language was based on the basic words they needed to live. The lowest common linguistic denominator.

PS I can't stop feeding son number two - it would just be too cruel, and against what mothers are for! But at least our older son is now at uni :D - and coping pretty well with cooking and his finances

[beachbaby]

Please don't blame us for everything bad!!!!

I always thought English was made up of many different languages. We have an influx of so many different people these days - now our cereal boxes, etc have Spanish written on them (which infuritates me). I was taught that anything that remains static will eventually disappear (as for example Latin). Proper pronounciation generally is what is enforced in the home. I refused to let my son use the word "like" which has replaced "um" over here, and sounds absolutely moronic (eg, Valley Girlspeak). I also refused to let him infuse his speech with four letter words. As I told him, any idiot can swear. It takes intelligence to put a sentence together correctly without curses and/or idioms. He sounds much smarter and more mature than many of the children I see daily on my bus.

My pet peeve as far as taking a word and making a verb out of it is disrespect, as in "being disrespected". I hate that!

Just had to get my peeve out. Later!

|wave| Teri

[Thomasin]

Just one (there are many) of my pet hates is the use of 'train station'. Up until a few years ago 'the station' referred to the railway station. Any other 'station' was given a descriptive adjective, bus station, underground station etc.

Does anyone else agree, or am I just a grumpy old woman? |rant|

Thomasin

[Ladkyis]

those people across the water, who live in the USA. My theory - open to alteration by you, please - is that so many millions of people over there didn't have English as a first language, that their common language was based on the basic words they needed to live.

What we must keep in mind about our American cousins is that the English spoken by the first settlers in that bountiful land was Elizabethan English - the language of Shakespeare. This has, by necessity, changed through time. As our own version of English has changed too. The differences are because our versions of English did not change in the same way or the same time.

I too hate the verbing of nouns and yet I suspect that we all happily 'access the internet' every day.

I draw the line at putting like after every thrid word in any of my sentences, unless I really like something. We can only encourage the good use of language by using it clearly and often and maintaining high standards.
We should be sending letters of complaint to the producers of the Collins dictionary because they intend dropping a long list of old words from their publication - because they are not used. They apparently need to make room for modern idioms - probably words like 'innit' and the new meaning for 'sorted' along with some text spk.

I have complained and asked what they think a dictionary is for if it isn't to hold old, unusual and forgotten words and those that are falling out of favour. I also said that I would not be buying a Collins Dictionary again and in future I will reserve my purchases for the Oxford English Dictionary. They have a whole building to house their words!

[Guy Etchells]

I, me, myself, personally have no awesome issues with the way folk write and like, like.
Though I do know where you are coming from. Being a father my issue sometimes do have issues with each other but at this moment in time are all talking to each other.
I personally will be recording their issues in my autobiography that I will write before I die if I am not too stressed. Of course if I did that would bring closure to the episode.
Luckily they do not have any draws in their chests and wouldn’t wear them if they had, unbelievable.
Like Cheers
Guy, unbelievable.

[Waitabit]

Happy Families Guy

[JohnN]

Just one (there are many) of my pet hates is the use of 'train station'. Up until a few years ago 'the station' referred to the railway station. Any other 'station' was given a descriptive adjective, bus station, underground station etc.

Does anyone else agree, or am I just a grumpy old woman? |rant|

Thomasin

Thank you Thomasin!
This usage is something that has crept in since I left the UK and I have long wondered when and how (and why) it came about - could it perhaps be the influence of Europe and all them furriners?

I was also at one time scornful of the American use of the term 'railroad' rather than 'railway', that is, until I discovered that both Charles Dickens and Jane Austen used the 'American' version: confirming what others have said - that the Americans use an old-fashioned form of the language, while it's the English who have adopted new (dare I say: more progressive) expressions. |shocked|

But where did the expression 'bored of' come from?

[Astoria]

I, me, myself, personally have no awesome issues with the way folk write and like, like.
Though I do know where you are coming from. Being a father my issue sometimes do have issues with each other but at this moment in time are all talking to each other.
I personally will be recording their issues in my autobiography that I will write before I die if I am not too stressed. Of course if I did that would bring closure to the episode.
Luckily they do not have any draws in their chests and wouldn’t wear them if they had, unbelievable.
Like Cheers
Guy, unbelievable.

This post is boss ;)

[peter nicholl]

Sorry Ladkyis, just in case you read it. It is a verb, sorry.

[beachbaby]

I, me, myself, personally have no awesome issues with the way folk write and like, like.
Though I do know where you are coming from. Being a father my issue sometimes do have issues with each other but at this moment in time are all talking to each other.
I personally will be recording their issues in my autobiography that I will write before I die if I am not too stressed. Of course if I did that would bring closure to the episode.
Luckily they do not have any draws in their chests and wouldn’t wear them if they had, unbelievable.
Like Cheers
Guy, unbelievable.


This is a wonderful paragraph.

|wave| Teri

[beachbaby]

Apologies in advance - just in case anyone thinks I'm being insensitive...

Am I the only one to be infuriated by people talking of 'going through the grieving process'?

Grieving process - what's wrong with being sad? Another is "he passed on" - where the heck did he go? I thought he "died" (but that's not, forgive me, PC). And closure - argh! I abhor the use of that word.

And let us not forget, we on the other side of the pond, were enormously influenced in the 60s by the British invasion - Mary Quant, the Fab Four, minis, Carnaby Street. I remember my parents being horrified by the outfits and makeup my elder sisters pranced around in, and some of the words that crept into their vocabulary (dad did his best to put a stop to the word "bl**dy). The wonderful part of it, folks, is that we all influence one another. The trick is to have it be in a positive way.

A wonderful, happy day to all - tra la!

|wave| Teri

[peter nicholl]

Keep up people, the word in vogue at this moment in time is "narrative" :cool: