late C.I.V. -What does it mean??

[mandymad]

Can anyone help me please? I've come across an abbreviation on the 1901 Census in the occupations columb: late C.I.V.
Does anyone have any idea what it stands for, I'm at a total loss. Thanks

[Jan1954]

Could you post the full census reference, please - and the details of the person against whose name it is written.

Then, those of us with access can have a look.

Thank you,

[mandymad]

James Sleeman RG13/236/108/30 34 Kepple Street, Holborn.

Thanks for looking for me

[Jan1954]

Well, I have had a look and I am sorry to say that I have not the faintest idea. :(

It is very clearly written as "late C I V " and the enumerator's mark also has what seems to be the letter "L" by it.

I don't suppose that you have an occupation on any other documentaion for this chap, do you?

[Sue Mackay]

City Imperial Volunteers?

See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kinship/civ.html

[Jan1954]

That would certainly fit, Sue - especially as it was a London volunteer outfit. With them returning the previous October, by the census of 1901, it would still be fresh in everyone's minds as well.

Do you know if there are records anywhere that mandymad could check? TNA?

[mandymad]

James stated he was a tailor on his marriage certificate in June 1901. I too was wondering if there was any connection with the Boer war and City Imperial Volunteers would certainly fit in with that idea. Is there anything anywhere to look up who the Volunteers were? Thanks for all the help, you're all so fast.

[Sue Mackay]

I confess that I came to this not through my South African roots but by typing CIV into http://www.acronymfinder.com/

City Imperial Volunteers seemed the only likely hit, so I googled them and came up with the link above.

Typing "City Imperial Volunteers" into Google gives several useful hits, including
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O58705

[mandymad]

Thanks Sue, I had a look at this and it doesn't look as though there is much to try and find as most of the records were destroyed in WWII. But if anyone has any other ideas then please let me know. Otherwise it means a trip to London.

[Peter Goodey]

"The City of London Yeomanry, also known as the City Imperial Volunteers, was raised at the same time as the Imperial Yeomanry. No attestation papers have survived but some details about volunteers and other records are held at the Guildhall Library. "

[mandymad]

thanks Peter, I'll have to have a trip to London to have a look at the records.

[Cossack]

Hi,
I can probably give you more info on what you are looking for as my Great-Grandfather was in the C.I.V. so have a fair bit of knowledge, if you would like to mail me I can help you out. The C.I.V. were a specially raised regiment for the Boer War & NOT Yeomanry as suggested before, but they were all from London Volunteer Battalions. I already found your chap in my lists & his Volunteer regiment he belonged to too :-)

[Peter Goodey]

The C.I.V. were a specially raised regiment for the Boer War & NOT Yeomanry as suggested before

You'd better tell the Guildhall Library, then :)

[Cossack]

They should already know!!! The City of London Imperial Volunteers were raised purely for the Boer war in 1900 & drawn exlusively from the London Volunteer regiments as they were all trained marksmen. The Yeomanry were a completly different kettle of fish altogether as this was the designation for cavalry units although the CIV did have a mounted unit as well as artillery, machine guns & even cyclists!. Then again, I'm only speaking from being a the Great-Grandson of a C.I.V. Sergeant so I'm probably wrong ;-)

[Peter Goodey]

On checking, I see that the extract that you took issue with is actually from a National Archives research guide and not from the Guildhall Library.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=147&j=1

If the National Archives has something wrong, I think you should let them know.

[Cossack]

no problem at all!!! I have a good amount of research material & original items too including a letter home from my Great-Grandfather during his service with the CIV. When I'm next at the NA I shall have a word!!! Best regards....Andy