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hanziebabez
11-09-2008, 1:16 PM
Hello

Does anyone have any information on either John Walmsley Barlow (born approx 1887 - I think) who married Ellen Hilton (may of been known as Sarah Ellen Hilton). They were from the Bolton, Lancs area. They only had one child (my grandmother) Ethel Kitney in 1920... I have no more infomation on these families?! :confused:

Hope someone can help me?!
Thanks, Hannah

Sandyhall
11-09-2008, 1:28 PM
Hi
Found this in 1891 Census

1891 England Census about John Walmsley Barlow
Name: John Walmsley Barlow Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sharples
Civil Parish: Sharples
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Village
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Sharples
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Barlow 40 - Stonemason
Henry Barlow 8
John Walmsley Barlow 4
Louisa Hetty Barlow 12
Mary Barlow 38
Mary Barlow 11

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3112; Folio 17A; Page 6;

Sandy

hanziebabez
11-09-2008, 1:34 PM
Hi Sandy

Thank you very much for this information is really is fantastic so many thanks for your help! The problem I have been having is that there are so many John Barlow's from the Bolton area. The only help is the middle name - Walmsley...

Again, thank you for your help!

Hannah

Sandyhall
11-09-2008, 1:39 PM
Here is his birth.....

Name: John Walmsley Barlow
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bolton
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c Page: 393

Cant find Ellen yet

Sandy

Sandyhall
11-09-2008, 1:55 PM
any idea which year Ellen was born, their are a few of them...

Found these on 1901 Census

"Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation RESIDENCE "

Margt Ellen Barlow Joseph,Mary J abt 1889 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire

Ellen Hilton abt 1889 Bolton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Bolton, Lancashire

Ellen Hilton Mary abt 1890 Bolton, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Bolton, Lancashire

hanziebabez
11-09-2008, 1:55 PM
Fantastic, thank you!

hanziebabez
11-09-2008, 1:59 PM
Hi Sandy

The only thing I know is that she married John W Barlow. So it could be either except I don't think she had a middle name so that may exclude Ellen Mary...

I am thinking its the 2nd one Ellen Hilton abt 1889 Bolton. I don't want to bother you but do you have anymore info on her? Brothers or sisters?

The other thing I was wandering is there is talk (my mother seems to remember her mother saying) that John Walmsley Barlow had a 1st marrage before Ellen. The only name we have is Edith but I don't have a maiden name...?

Thanks
Hannah

Sandyhall
11-09-2008, 2:19 PM
Hi
found this marriage with others on the same page, you will need to get this Cert from the GRO it will then tell you who the Fathers are and their occupations will also tell you if John was a widow

Herbert Allen 1918 Apr-May-Jun Halhead Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire

John W Barlow 1918 Apr-May-Jun Hilton Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Sarah Halhead 1918 Apr-May-Jun Allen Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Sarah E Hilton 1918 Apr-May-Jun Barlow Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Vol no 8c, page no 795

Sandy
I'll go look for a Sarah E see what I can find....

Found Ethels birth
Births Sep 1921
Barlow Ethel Hilton Bolton Vol no 8c, Page no 916

hanziebabez
11-09-2008, 2:42 PM
Truely thank you again!

I have just been looking through some old photographs and came across a post card! Details are as follows:

Post card is a black and white picture of Bradshaw Church, Bolton
Post marked: Bolton Lancs, 3.45pm - 18th July 1947

To Mr & Mrs Kitney (my grandmother - Ethel Barlow's married name)

Dear K & E (Kenneth Kitney and Ethel)

Thanks for letter. Glad you are having a good time. Hoping to see you soon. Love from Daddy and Edith!!!!!!

I hope the dates etc help you! Thanks, Hannah

Sandyhall
11-09-2008, 3:08 PM
Truely thank you again!

I have just been looking through some old photographs and came across a post card! Details are as follows:

Post card is a black and white picture of Bradshaw Church, Bolton
Post marked: Bolton Lancs, 3.45pm - 18th July 1947

To Mr & Mrs Kitney (my grandmother - Ethel Barlow's married name)

Dear K & E (Kenneth Kitney and Ethel)

Thanks for letter. Glad you are having a good time. Hoping to see you soon. Love from Daddy and Edith!!!!!!

I hope the dates etc help you! Thanks, Hannah

Hannah
Sorry dates no help, but looking at this I'd say it came from Kenneth's father and mother and that's another puzzle.......
I think you need to be ordering some of the Cert. to get infomation from them.
Sandy

gkitney
22-06-2013, 7:20 AM
Hello

Does anyone have any information on either John Walmsley Barlow (born approx 1887 - I think) who married Ellen Hilton (may of been known as Sarah Ellen Hilton). They were from the Bolton, Lancs area. They only had one child (my grandmother) Ethel Kitney in 1920... I have no more infomation on these families?! :confused:

Hope someone can help me?!
Thanks, Hannah

Hannah I can help with your grandfather's family details.

Graeme

christanel
22-06-2013, 7:45 AM
Hello Graeme

Hannah hasn't been on the forums since November 2008 but you could try sending her a private message (pm). Click on her user name - Hanziebabez and a drop down menu will appear. Click on private message. Hopefully she will have the same email address.
It may also be that she will still receive notification of your posting by email from Brit-Gen :smile5:

Christanel

hanziebabez
22-06-2013, 7:55 AM
Hello Graeme

Hannah hasn't been on the forums since November 2008 but you could try sending her a private message (pm). Click on her user name - Hanziebabez and a drop down menu will appear. Click on private message. Hopefully she will have the same email address.
It may also be that she will still receive notification of your posting by email from Brit-Gen :smile5:

Christanel

Thanks Christanel, I'm still here :)

Hi Graeme, how are you? I have done a lot of research & have Kitney/Barlow lines back a long time now. However there ha always remained a bit of mystery behind Ellen/Sarah Ellen and its mum & johns grandma and they don't seem to know anything. Her name and her parents names DOB's would be a massive help. Your help is appreciated.

Thanks
Hannah

christanel
22-06-2013, 8:52 AM
Wow Hannah that was quick! So glad to know you are still around and having success with your research.

Good luck with finding out about Sarah/Ellen :yesnod:

Christanel

Nicolina
22-06-2013, 1:58 PM
in 1911 a still unmarried John Walmsley BARLOW was living at 166 Turton Road, Bromley Cross, Turton together with his mother & 2 siblings.

Oooops have just seen that I'm a bit late with this one. Will try a PM.

gkitney
23-06-2013, 3:52 AM
Thanks Christanel, I'm still here :)

Hi Graeme, how are you? I have done a lot of research & have Kitney/Barlow lines back a long time now. However there ha always remained a bit of mystery behind Ellen/Sarah Ellen and its mum & johns grandma and they don't seem to know anything. Her name and her parents names DOB's would be a massive help. Your help is appreciated.

Thanks
Hannah

Hannah, I can't help you with the Barlow and Hilton families, my research is into the Kitney family and I have only followed a few non Kitney families back.

Graeme

Pegasus
23-06-2013, 5:05 AM
1881 Census for Henry BARLOW & Family

RG11, 3832, Folio 91, Page 1

Bank Top Farm, Sharples, Lanc's

Henry BARLOW, Head, Mar, 30Yrs old, Stonemason & Farmer , Bn Blackburn, Lanc's
Mary BARLOW, Wife, Mar, 28Yrs old, , Bn Breighmet, Lanc's
Louise Hettie BARLOW, Daut, , Under 2yrs old, , Bn Sharples, Lanc's
Mary BARLOW, Daut, , 1Yr old, , Bn Sharples, Lanc's

gkitney
24-06-2013, 7:59 AM
1881 Census for Henry BARLOW & Family

RG11, 3832, Folio 91, Page 1

Bank Top Farm, Sharples, Lanc's

Henry BARLOW, Head, Mar, 30Yrs old, Stonemason & Farmer , Bn Blackburn, Lanc's
Mary BARLOW, Wife, Mar, 28Yrs old, , Bn Breighmet, Lanc's
Louise Hettie BARLOW, Daut, , Under 2yrs old, , Bn Sharples, Lanc's
Mary BARLOW, Daut, , 1Yr old, , Bn Sharples, Lanc's

My research is for the Kitney family, one of the earlier postings was from someone who had a Barlow family member who married a Kitney and was looking for information about her family
Graeme

Pegasus
24-06-2013, 1:37 PM
Graeme.

How Far back have You traced Your KITNEY Ancestors?

If You hav'nt got them on Census, I can do Look ups for them (1841-1901).

Pegasus
24-06-2013, 9:11 PM
I think I found Kenneth KITNEYs Birth (on Freebdm):

March Qtr 1921

Kenneth H C KITNEY (Mothers Surname: Sawyer) (Ref:Sevenoaks 2a 1506)

If this is Your Kenneth, then Here is the record of His Parents Marriage on FreeBDM:

December QTR 1919

Henry W C KITNEY married Eleanor E SAWYER (Ref: Sevenoaks 2a 2079)

The district Sevenoaks is in the county of Kent.

Pegasus
24-06-2013, 9:21 PM
I did a search for the Birth of 'Henry KITNEY' (C1895 to 1901) on Freebdm.

there was only 2:

1. June Qtr 1900. Ref: Milton 2a 933

2. December Qtr 1900, Ref: Milton 2a 891

The district Milton is in the county of Kent;

Pegasus
24-06-2013, 9:26 PM
The only match I could find for 'Eleanor E SAWYER' was:

June Qtr 1897

Eleanor Elizabeth SAWYER (Ref: Marlbro' 5a 94)

gkitney
24-06-2013, 11:46 PM
Thanks for the offer, I have traced the family back to 1625 with the baptism of Edmund Kidney at Boxley, still trying to find the marriage of Edmund his father. The name for some of the family changed to Kitney in the 1700s and early 1800s due to ministers recording it as Kitney. Even in the census records the names changed, Kitney one census, Kidney the next and back to Kitney again.
Graeme

Pegasus
25-06-2013, 12:00 AM
Ok Graeme, Good Luck Hope You can sort it out.