Hawthorn Smith 1818

[babygirl101]

On the 1871 Census I’ve just found –

HAWTHORN SMITH (b. 1818, Croxton Leicestershire) in a field adjacent to Cox Lane, Beeston Nottingham.

Travelling with him are:-
MENTA (1819, Syston, Leicestershire) (wife)

Unmarried children :–

EVE SMITH (b.1852), Kettleby,
MIRIAM SMITH, (b.1852), Rempston,
HAWTHORN SMITH (b.1856), Elton, Rutland
MADELINE SMITH (b.1862), Clipstone,

Travelling with them are:-

WILLIAM SMITH (b. 1939), Croxton Leicestershire
LOUISA SMITH (b.1843), Hempingham, Leicestershire

ISAIAH SMITH (b.1844), Saxilby, Lincolnshire
SELINA SMITH ( b. 1843), Exham, Rutland

Children:-

NOAH SMITH(b. 25.1.1865) Willoughby, Nottinghamshire
ISAIAH SMITH (b. 1867), Lincolnshire
HAWTHORN SMITH (b. 1871) Nottinghamshire

They are all clothes peg makers.

Do anyone know anything about these Smiths, I haven't had any luck as yet finding them on any other census returns? I have a couple of Hawthorn Smiths in my family, but not these!!

Thanks

BG

[JoanneM]

In a roundabout way I've just found a Noah Smith born in Willoughby. I thought I recognised Isaiah Smith, but I was thinking of an Israel (who is also an Isaac and a John but is a different person from Isaiah as I've found him now in 1871). Anyway, I've been chasing my Israel and his travelling companions around the census today, and completely by chance came across this entry in 1891:

Attercliffe cum Darnall, Yorkshire (in caravans and tents off Darnall Road)
William Smith head mar 27 carter Bradford
Sophia wife mar 26 Leics Radcliffe
Sylvester son 9 not attending school Derby
Beatrice dau 4 Brightside Yorks
Alma dau 2 Attercliffe
Noah cousin unm 20 general gobber Leics Willoughby

He's lost a few years, and Willoughby is now in Leicestershire and not Nottinghamshire, but I thought I'd throw it into the mix for you anyway.

There are other Smiths and Boswells listed too.

[babygirl101]

Thank you for that, Joanne. I'll check it out. I haven't managed to make a connection between the two families as yet, but I'll keep working on it, as there's usually some connection. What a charming description of his occupation hehe!!! I'm guessing it actually reads as general jobber.

BG

[JoanneM]

What a charming description of his occupation hehe!!! I'm guessing it actually reads as general jobber.

No, I think it is actually a gobber, lol. It seems to be a colliery term, and if I remember rightly some of the others on that census entry were colliers. Found this:

gobber

a. Any device used for gobbing waste material.
b. A person employed to pack rubbish or waste into the gob.

I stumbled across another Hawthorn yesterday. I was checking freereg for the surname 'Charlotte', and there was a marriage at St. Peters, Woverhampton, between James Cope and Mary Ann Cookler on 28th Feb 1836, and the witnesses were John Biddulph and HAUTHORN CHARLOT. I've no proof that any of these people were romanies, but Charlotte is one of my surnames and the name Hawthorn is quite unusual.

[babygirl101]

No, I think it is actually a gobber, lol. It seems to be a colliery term, and if I remember rightly some of the others on that census entry were colliers. Found this:

gobber

a. Any device used for gobbing waste material.
b. A person employed to pack rubbish or waste into the gob.

I stumbled across another Hawthorn yesterday. I was checking freereg for the surname 'Charlotte', and there was a marriage at St. Peters, Woverhampton, between James Cope and Mary Ann Cookler on 28th Feb 1836, and the witnesses were John Biddulph and HAUTHORN CHARLOT. I've no proof that any of these people were romanies, but Charlotte is one of my surnames and the name Hawthorn is quite unusual.


Well, well, well, Joanne, you learn something new everyday, thank you for that. I haven't come across any Hawthorns around that area, but I do have several in the family:-

Hawthorn b. 1843, Buckminster who was married to Lydia Ingleton, nephew of Hawthorn b. 1818.
Hawthorn b. 1875, Sandiacre, Notts who died in infancy s/o Hawthorn & Lydia
This Hawthorn, b. 1856, s/o Hawthorn b. 1818.

From the snippets of information I gathered in the last couple of days they all appear to be related. The spelling of the name seems to vary according to the enumerator. It's quite possible that the one you refer is related in some way. I'll do some investigating into that one.

Many thanks agian

BG