GARNETT, St Nicholas Harwich, pre-1871

[Marion]

If there is anyone who has access to earlier census records, or parish of St Nicholas church? I know that Daniel GARNETT was married there in 1834 (wife Sarah Anne Clarke) and I have some of their children but there is a huge gap between 1836 and 1848, and I would love to know if there are other children I'm missing.

I already have:

Elizabeth born 1836
Sarah born 1848
Daniel born 1852
Eliza born 1855
Ann born 1857

yours hopefully
Marion in Wiltshire

[ChristineR]

...I know that Daniel GARNETT was married there in 1834 (wife Sarah Anne Clarke) and I have some of their children but there is a huge gap between 1836 and 1848.....

Marion, I'm working through the Saint Nicholas, Harwich 1841 census at the moment - I'll let you know if I find your Daniel or not. Will be a few days.

Christine
Australia

[ChristineR]

Got them.. and from the names it looks as if the 1851 details posted by Mythology are the same family.

HO 107/344/19 (Page 20 Folio 31 - not sure if that's how you note it)
Saint Nicholas
Harwich

Currents Lane (looks to be off Church Street)
last entry on the previous page we have
Daniel Garnett 60 Mariner
(I'm pretty sure he is in the same household)
next page...
Daniel Garnett 30 Mariner
Sarah " 20
Elizabeth 6
John 3
William 2
Esther 6 months
there also appears to be this bloke in the same household too
William BRITTON 76 Pilot
all the above born in county.

cheers
Christine

[Marion]

Thank you Christine. I would be very grateful

Marion

[Marion]

Wow that was quick!! Many thanks, that is extremely helpful.

all the best
Marion

[ChristineR]

Hi Marion, (and anyone else needing a lookup)

later this week I am ordering film of the Church of England, St Nicholas Harwich, Parish registers at a Family History Centre. I dont know how long it takes to arrive, but I believe I have some weeks to view the films. My first visit :)

While I'm looking for my RANDALL family, I intend trawling through the same time frame as your GARNETT family, so is there any other family or specific events you would like me to look out for?

Christine
Australia

[Marion]

Hi Christine
Thanks for your kind offer. I would be particularly interested in any entries for Garnett - there seems to be only the one family thank goodness, although the Daniel
referred to above seems to have had 11 children.

My other interest here is Thompson - George Thompson born about 1807, married a Charlotte sometime about 1830. Had known children George about 1831, Samuel about 1834, then moved away.

Then between 1860 and 1876 his son Thomas Turner Thompson and his wife Elizabeth Garnett had several children born in Harwich.

Again thank you for thinking of me! almessage=Hi Christine
Thanks for your kind offer. I would be particularly interested in any entries for Garnett - there seems to be only the one family thank goodness, although the Daniel
referred to above seems to have had 11 children.

My other interest here is Thompson - George Thompson born about 1807, married a Charlotte sometime about 1830. Had known children George about 1831, Samuel about 1834, then moved away.

Then between 1860 and 1876 his son Thomas Turner Thompson and his wife Elizabeth Garnett had several children born in Harwich.

Again thank you for thinking of me! all the best, Marion

[ChristineR]

[QUOTE=Marion]...Then between 1860 and 1876 his son Thomas Turner Thompson and his wife Elizabeth Garnett had several children born in Harwich. .....

I've just ordered the 1861 census cd for Harwich (rapt because it took two cds from the 1841 to cover the same geographical area as this single one) so I'll keep a lookout for your Thompson too. Will get back to you late next week and also give you an idea of when I'll be looking at the parish films. I can hardly wait.

Christine
Australia

[ChristineR]

1861 Essex Census
RG 9/1094 Folio 85, Schedule 234 (page 171 cd 6)
St Nicholas, Harwich, Essex
Kings Head Street
Daniel Garnett, Head, Married, 52, Fisherman, born Norfolk, Yarwood?
Sarah, wife, married, 42, born Essex, Harwich
William, son, unmarried, 20, Fisherman, born Essex Harwich
Folio 86, next page
Adam Garnett, son, unmarried, 16, Fisherman, [all these born Harwich]
Esther, daughter, unmarried, 18, servant
Daniel, son, unmarried, 8, scholar
Heneriala?, daughter, 7, scholar
Eliza, daughter, 6, scholar
Sarah, daughter, 10, scholar
Ann, daughter, 4, scholar
Mary, daughter, 12, scholar

[ChristineR]

Hi Marion,
didn't spot your Thompson couple (Thomas and Elizabeth) in Harwich or Dovercourt, but happy to have Daniel Garnett again for you, with most of his kids it seems.
The parish films will arrive anytime from this weekend up to a month. The centre isn't very big and they are only open about 6 or 7 hours a week, so it'll probably take me some time - depending on the demand on their viewers. It will not be like looking at these wonderful cds that Rod makes :)
Christine

[Marion]

Thank you Christine! A lovely big family group and I am very grateful for your help. I agree, we are spoilt when we have the CD's to look at at home! I only wish my family had not come from quite so many corners of the UK, as I could easily end up pawning the children to buy the lot :-(
Marion

[JOSHER]

Hi I Got The Complete Garnett Family Tree From Harwich Let Me Know What You Want To Know My Grandfather Was William Garnett Regard Debbie

[ChristineR]

Hi I Got The Complete Garnett Family Tree From Harwich Let Me Know What You Want To Know My Grandfather Was William Garnett Regard Debbie

Hi Marion,
I hope you and Debbie have fun exchanging information. Let me know if you know longer need any parish records - I'm envious of a "complete tree" falling in your lap :) |woohoo|

Christine
Australia
(researching RANDALL from Harwich )

[Marion]

Hi Debbie

I would be very interested to swap information especially if you have anything about Daniel Garnett born 1781 or his wife Elizabeth Cousins? I am descended from Elizabeth Garnett born 1835.

regards Marion

[ChristineR]

Hi Marion
came across these burials today in the Saint Nicholas records, it MIGHT be Garnett, just not absolutely certain. So better to have it in case. Also some THOMPSONS too, that may or may not be your other interests. The full entry has the registration date, but no parents. All of Harwich.

LDS Film: 1565650
Film of records held at Essex Record Office (Ref D/P 170/1/)
Burial Register St Nicholas, Harwich, Essex
14 June 1789 - John THOMPSON, infant
21 July 1789 - Mary THOMPSON, 17
24 Sept 1789 - Mary THOMPSON, infant
18 Dec 1789 - Harriott THOMPSON, infant
20 Dec 1789 - Thomas GARNETT (?), 14
25 April 1790 - James THOMPSON, 5

[ChristineR]

and in another register on the same film.
Burials 1783 (basic one line entries, completely handwritten book)
13 August - Mary THOMPSON, widow
16 November - ..., wife of William THOMPSON (her name has three letters? and there was no hope of identifying any of them)

Marion I did not go looking for them, just recorded basic details if I happened to notice the names while looking for my Randalls - which is going well. I have ordered the later film today, which will cover the family you have. You never know, these earlier bits might help one day. A couple of marriages on the next message to foil the repeating text monster :)

Christine Randall
Australia

[ChristineR]

Marriages that I noticed [ the basic details from the register, I did not record witnesses names.
LDS Film: 1565650
Film of records held at Essex Record Office (Ref D/P 170/1/)
Chapel of St Nicholas, Harwich

25 September 1768 - William THOMPSON married Sarah PLANT, William signed his name, Sarah made her mark., both of this parish.

14 November 1774 - William UNDERWOOD married Martha GARNETT (by Banns) by John Jones, curate

3 January 1763 - Thomas THOMPSON, bachelor, married Mary BARNES, spinster

29 December 1766 - Thomas THOMPSON, widower, married Elizabeth ALLISTON, spinster

[Marion]

Christine,

Many thanks for these. What a nice surprise to come back from a busy weekend and find these messages waiting for me. I'm glad to hear your researches are going well and thanks again for taking the trouble to send these.

all the best
Marion

[ChristineR]

LDS Film Number: 1565653, Essex - Record Office Ref: D/P 47/1/9, Item Number: 18
Baptisms 1813 - 1865 Great Oakley
Jul 3, 1852*: James, son of Robert and Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, labourer
Dec 26, 1852*: James, son of Robert and Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, labourer
Sep 14 1856: William, son of Robert and Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, labourer
Dec 11 1859: Sarah Lydia, dau of Robert & Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, brickmaker
Jul 21 1861: Jonathon, son of Robert & Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, brickmaker
Jan 18 1863: Mary Ann, dau of Robert & Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, brickmaker
May 8 1863*: Charles, son of Robert & Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, brickmaker
Jun 4 1865: Maria, dau of Robert & Susannah GARNETT, Great Oakley, brickmaker
* I may have made a mistake with these dates, whilst I did doublecheck at the time :)

[ChristineR]

LDS Film Number: 1565653
Essex - Record Office Ref: D/P 47/1/10, Item Number: 19
Burials 1813 - 1893 Great Oakley
Charles GARNETT, aged 11 months, of Great Oakley, buried Feb 26, 1865
Anna GARNETT?, infant, of Great Oakley, buried Sep 9, 1875
Charles GARNETT, aged 14, of Great Oakley, buried Nov 18, 1887

The other Harwich film hasn't come in yet. Spotted these blokes in the film I'm looking at now, just jotted down the ones that I noticed. The births and deaths will be on FreeBMD, but now you can narrow these particular ones down to a location. Parents were not recorded.

cheers
Christine

[Marion]

Hi Christine

Many thanks for your trouble! Very interesting to find the same unusual surname located so close - I will see what else I can find out about them.

Again thanks for your help
Marion

[ChristineR]

LDS Film Number: 1565653, Essex - Record Office Ref: D/P 47/1/12, Item Number: 21 Marriages 1837 -1915 Great Oakley

Robert GARNETT, full age, labourer & Susannah COOK, aged 19, married 3 November 1849 at Great Oakley. Robert signed, Susannah made her mark.
Parents: Thomas GARNETT, labourer / Arthur COOK, labourer
Witnesses: the marks of Arthur COOK & Hannah WINTERFLOOD
Both bride and groom residence was Great Oakley

Thomas GARNETT & Rosa WELLER (of Wix) married Gt Oakley 7 Apr 1876 (both 25 years old) Fathers - Robert GARNETT, brickmaker / Robert WELLER labourer. Witnesses:Robert WELLER, Hannah GARNETT

I spotted GARNET among the records back towards 1765, so it would be worth getting the film if you think they are related. Stay tuned for the ones you want from Harwich :) Christine

[Marion]

Thanks again Christine, I am keeping all this info and hopefully it will fit in at some point. Hope you are getting info about YOUR family too!

Marion

[ChristineR]

Yes, coming along nicely, I stopped recording those Garnetts, it seems to be coming from just the one line. Four hours yesterday and for the first time my arm got sore from winding as for two hours I wasn't finding any Randalls or my other associated names until half an hour to finish up time - I was right in the midst of their kids being baptized and I had to stop :D This is the bit where I might make the link to my Harwich ones, who appear from 'somewhere'.

[Marion]

Oh I know that feeling, until last year I had a 20yr brickwall with my gt grandmother who we believed had been beamed down from Mars in 1900. These Garnetts are her ancestors so that mystery has at last been solved - THANKS!!

[ChristineR]

Hi Marion, just to let you know that the next film has arrived, spent four hours on it today. I'll post full details later with references. (next week after Saturday's visit)
But we now have.... Saint Nicholas, Harwich, Essex
Marriage (& Banns) of Thomas THOMPSON and Sarah ROWLING: 21 Feb 1794
Baptisms children of above
Thomas b 1794
Sarah b 1795
Hetty b 1799
Thomas b 1804
John b 1805

Baptisms children to John & Susan THOMPSON
Mary Ann b 1788
William Daniel b 1790
Abraham Jerimiah b 1792

Up to 1807, so should be getting to George, looks like Thomas and Sarah will probably be his parents.

Christine :) not a Garnett in sight

[ChristineR]

oops, the b = birth year, not baptism year.
:) C

[Marion]

Thanks Christine. Looks very promising! Was it a busy parish - lots of baptisms? Or are they easy to spot? If not too busy, you might spot George's wife to be Charlotte who was born about 1810 (and I think might be TURNER) but I am most grateful for everything you have found. Many many thanks

Even the lack of GARNETTS is informative - if they wasn't there, they was somewhere else! ;-)

Marion

[ChristineR]

Essex record office ref: D/P170/1/10
Baptisms
Saint Nicholas, Harwich, Essex
George, son of Thomas & Sarah THOMPSON
was born Nov 17, 1807; and christened June 19 1808.

didn't spot a Charlotte Turner, but I can go back if I find her marriage later.
I've got a George Samuel born to George and Charlotte here in 1831, - next register book is of marriages from 1813. The GARNETTs have kicked in with the marriage of a Daniel to Elizabeth COUSINS Feb 3 1807. At least, I think it's Garnett. I have a Elizabeth Cousins Garnett buried Dec 23 1812, aged 14 days, and it is written pretty clearly Garnett. But you aren't expecting yours to be here yet, since your Daniel was born Norfolk? I'll keep writing them down until I can tell if they are in fact Garrett! but I dont think so. :)

You will have to bear with me while I write up from the scribbled notes when I have time :D Christine

[Marion]

Hi Christine
Bingo on both families - this is the right Daniel Garnett & Elizabeth Cousins, their son Daniel was apparently born 1810; I didn't have any other children though. Thanks so much for George also, its great to confirm his parentage. It was George Thompson who later went to Norfolk and had some children there 1837-39. I have since discovered he was in Lincolnshire 1842-9 too.

I am so grateful for all your help. When you have time is fine, they're not going anywhere!
Marion

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/8-11 - Items 1-4
Baptisms, St Nicholas, Harwich

John and Susan THOMPSON
dau:Mary Ann, born Jun 11, 1788, christened Mar 12, 1790
son:William Daniel, born March 8, christened March 12, 1790
son: Abraham Jeremiah, born Apr 19, christened Apr 29, 1792
----
James and Sarah THOMPSON, Sawyer, Harwich
Benjamin, born Apr 3, christened May 1, 1818

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/8-11 - Items 1-4
Baptisms, St Nicholas, Harwich

children of Thomas and Sarah THOMPSON
Thomas, born 15 Feb 1794, christened 22 Feb 1797
Sarah, born Jan 20, 1795, christened 25 Aug 1797 [this one looks wrong]
Hetty, born 5 Mar, christened 9 Jun 1799
Sophia, born 24 Aug, christened 21 Sep 1801
Thomas, born 14 Mar, 1804; christened 3 Apr 1804
John, born 27 Nov 1805; christened 2 Apr 1806
George, born Nov 17, 1807; christened June 19, 1808

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/8-10 - Item 1-3
Marriages, Saint Nicholas, Harwich

Stephen THOMPSON, bachelor, of New Market? in the county of Suffolk
and Lydia GOSS (looks like GOFS) spinster of this parish
married in the chapel by Licence,
14 April 1793 [Stephen signed, Lydia gave her mark]
witnesses: Jacob Finch (his Mark) and Robert Enefer

William THOMPSON, both single of this parish
and Martha WRIGHT, married in the chapel by Banns
17 Feb 1807 by Cavalier Jouett [both made their mark]
witnesses: Elizabeth Grimwood (her mark) and Robert Enefer

Thomas THOMPSON, both single of this parish
and Sarah ROWLING married in the chapel by Banns
21 Feb 1794, both gave their mark,
witnesses: Robert Carrington and Robert Enefer

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/8-11 - Items 1-4
Baptisms, St Nicholas, Harwich

Daniel and Elizabeth GARNETT, Harwich, mariner
son: Daniel, born Apr 26, christened Nov 7, 1810
dau: Susannah, born Jan 20, christened Jan 23, 1818

Simon and Mary GARNETT, Harwich, mariner
son: Simon, born May 31, christened May 19, 1818

Robert and Hannah GARNETT, labourer, Harwich
son: William, born Nov 23; christened Nov 27, 1824

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/8-11 - Items 1-4
Burials, Saint Nicholas, Harwich
Elizabeth Cousins GARNETT, 14 days, buried Dec 23, 1812

Please be aware that the film I was looking at had a scratch through it which obscured some names completely.(Item 1 and part of 2)

That's all that I have recorded so far, have fun. And yes, am in the midst of my own family and doing well. :) Christine

[Marion]

Christine again many thanks for all your help and assistance. If I can ever reciprocate in Wiltshire Record Office, please let me know. I'm glad to hear your own researches are going ok!

Marion

[ChristineR]

I do happen to have an interest in Trowbridge, Wiltshire :D Do you go often?
I've popped in the date for Lydia and Stephen Thompson's wedding - 14 April 1793.
Christine

[Marion]

I can go up in the next week sometime - are you looking for which church (since you have date)?
Marion

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/16-17 Item 9/10
Burials, Saint Nicholas, Harwich

Robert THOMPSON, aged 6 mths, buried 13 Jan 1815
Mary THOMSON, aged 4 mths, buried 15 Oct 1815
Elizabeth GARNETT, aged 43, buried 30 Jan 1818
Susannah GARNETT, aged 3 yrs, buried 21 Feb 1821
William THOMPSON, aged 41, buried 7 Nov 1823
Sarah Ann THOMPSON, aged 58, buried 15 March 1825
Stephen THOMPSOn, aged 19, buried 22 Oct 1829
Essex record Office D/P 170/1/17 Item 10
Thomas THOMPSON, aged 67, buried 31 Dec 1836

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/12 - Item 5
Baptisms: Saint Nicholas, Harwich

George Samuel, son of George and Charlotte THOMPSON, Harwich, mariner
was born 11 Mar 1831; christened Apr 15 1831

Elizabeth, dau of Daniel and Sarah GARNETT, Harwich, mariner
was born Mar 21 1835; christened Apr 1 1835
John Clark Fielder, son of Daniel and Sarah Ann GARNETT
was born Jun 7 1837; christened Jun 30 1837
William Richard, son of Daniel and Sarah GARNETT
was born Feb 8 1839; christened Mar 15 1839

looks like these two have married well before the 1841 William. I haven't looked in the marriages as yet, go again Tuesday. It will be odd if our Bradford FISHER family are the same. :D
Many thanks, Christine

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/22
Marriages, Saint Nicholas, Harwich 1813-1827

Thomas THOMPSON, bachelor of this parish and Harriett WYLES of the parish of Dedham
were married in the chapel by license, 11 Sept 1836 [both signed their names]
Witnesses: Emma Pearce, Joseph Pearce Junr

Daniel GARNETT, widower of this parish and
Editha GREEN, spinster, married in the chapel by banns with the consent of parents
25 May 1819 [both gave their marks]
Witnesses: Wm Bill, Mary Pain?

John CLARK, bachelor, Hetty THOMPSON, spinster and minor
married in the chapel by license with consent of parents
12 Mar 1814 [both signed their name]
Witnesses: William Thompson, Wm Lewis

[ChristineR]

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/16
Banns, Saint Nicholas, Harwich 1803-1823

William THOMPSON, Martha WRIGHT 11, 18 & 25 Jan 1807
Daniel GARNETT, Elizabeth COUSINS, 28 Dec 1806, 4 & 11 Jan 1807

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/10
Burials, Saint Nicholas, Harwich

Editha GARNETT, aged 57, buried 11 July 1839
James GARNETT, aged 2 yrs, buried 15 Oct 1846

Essex record Office D/P 170/1/12
Burials, Saint Nicholas, Harwich

Susannah THOMPSON, 4 Albert St, Bathside, buried May 22, 1897, aged 72 years

[ChristineR]

Hi Marion,

last one (unless I find something in my notes when I go through them again) I ran out of time with the film today and it has to go back. I've recently heard that there was an independent church in Harwich as well, at least in the 1830s. I never got to look at all the later film. You probably have this...

Thomas Turner THOMPSON, full age, bachelor, Harwich, Mariner
Elizabeth GARNETT, full age, spinster, Harwich
Married in the Parish Chapel June 17, 1856 [Thomas signed, Elizabeth made her mark]
Fathers: George THOMPSON, Mariner; Daniel GARNETT, mariner
Witnesses: James Moore, Laura Long (her mark)

:D Chrisitine

[Marion]

Thank you Christine. I had the details of the marriage but not the witnesses - and from the data you have given me recently, I am sure that Laura Long is a relation on the Thompson side. Now I just have to work out how......! I have a quite extensive tree now for both Garnetts and Thompsons and I am very grateful to you for all your hard work on my behalf.

Happy hunting

Marion